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Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,900) by Jamie from UK Yes it was clear and strong but it had changed from her earlier voice, it’s clear to tell. (Friday 30 May 2025; 09:36) this is a reply to message 108,897

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,897) by Bobby A from United States How could it be? MC's voice in 1995 was clear and strong. The Fantasy intro whistle is her best whistle note ever. Melt Away is pure bliss to one's ear. I just wonder now does MC has any regrets about any cosmetic surgery that she had done. I feel we will see a more open and forthcoming MC this Christmas season about a lot of things she been through since Caution's release. Some network is going to offer her a huge figure for a sitdown tell all interview this Christmas season. (Friday 30 May 2025; 02:52)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,899) by Bill from the UK I'm surprised more people don't notice the difference from Merry Christmas to Daydream vocally. Most sight Butterfly as when he voice began to decline and change, but for me Daydream was the beginning of the end. It was just masked by good songs, good production, and confidence on the stage when performing. Main call-outs for you all to review is that her melisma became disjointed, most noticeable on songs like I Am Free. She breaks it up rather than just singing straight through the melody like she did on all her albums beforehand. Then all the body from her voice went too, best displayed by When I Saw You and Long Ago. She still sounds great but there was a very noticeable shift at this point. As this was before her alcoholism then the nose job would be the most likely cause for the change. (Friday 30 May 2025; 08:28) this is a reply to message 108,894

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,894) by Jamie from UK Yes I remember reading somewhere years ago that Tommy bought her first boob job for her. How true that is I'm not sure. Sometimes I feel Mariah chose to sing differently from Daydream and that also affected the quality of her voice. But I defo agree the nose surgery didn't help. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 21:21)

TEOM 20 (108,898) by TJ from Norway Not what I was hoping for, but I hope the rest of you guys finds it interesting. (Friday 30 May 2025; 07:10)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,897) by Bobby A from United States How could it be? MC's voice in 1995 was clear and strong. The Fantasy intro whistle is her best whistle note ever. Melt Away is pure bliss to one's ear. I just wonder now does MC has any regrets about any cosmetic surgery that she had done. I feel we will see a more open and forthcoming MC this Christmas season about a lot of things she been through since Caution's release. Some network is going to offer her a huge figure for a sitdown tell all interview this Christmas season. (Friday 30 May 2025; 02:52) this is a reply to message 108,893

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,893) by Bill from the UK Mariah came to terms with her (non-existent) bad side years ago and has said as such in her interview. It is pretty clear and obvious she has had a small nose job, and a large breast job, since 1990. The nose job is incredibly subtle but clearly impacted her voice and happened during 1995. It is obvious as it was the first major change in her voice, that became more nasally and brassy on Daydream, and lost its body. That I chalk up to the nose job. The most noticeable breast augmentation was in 1999 when Rainbow launched, but there was talk of a smaller one in 1994, but not so sure about that. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 14:20)

Eternal 12 (108,896) by TJ from Norway Cheese fries. How American. Eat carrots and you will reverse the age, darling. I was until this day sure that she had at least one boob job (both left (Dolly) and right (Parton) of course). But nothing dramatic like Pamela in the 90s. Anyway, I don't need new music, but would love some old stuff. Grunge or not. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 23:38) this is a reply to message 108,890

Eternal 12 (108,890) by Edward from USA I agree. I think Mariah had a subtle nose job around the Daydream era, after that, it’s hard to tell because she contours her nose a lot. Aside from several minor touch-ups here an there, a great dose a Botox, some cheek fillers, the occasional honey facial, and her freezer chamber routine, I doubt she's had anything major done. I remember when people swore she’d had multiple boob jobs, only for it to turn out she was just rocking some serious push-up bras. My sister swears by those too, she buys them every ten years, but her husband says they feel hard as rocks, I don't know what that means. Anyway, I’m getting cheese fries. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 12:52)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,895) by Lambi from USA Mariah has a scar on her left eyelid (thus why she covers it with bangs) and an uneven tooth on her left side as well. But now that she has veneers it's flawless. I love seeing her just being able to rock a full updo in concerts. She actually genuinely looks amazing. I stumbled across her beautician's instagram and the beauty routine she had for MC was insane. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 23:08) this is a reply to message 108,893

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,893) by Bill from the UK Mariah came to terms with her (non-existent) bad side years ago and has said as such in her interview. It is pretty clear and obvious she has had a small nose job, and a large breast job, since 1990. The nose job is incredibly subtle but clearly impacted her voice and happened during 1995. It is obvious as it was the first major change in her voice, that became more nasally and brassy on Daydream, and lost its body. That I chalk up to the nose job. The most noticeable breast augmentation was in 1999 when Rainbow launched, but there was talk of a smaller one in 1994, but not so sure about that. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 14:20)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,894) by Jamie from UK Yes I remember reading somewhere years ago that Tommy bought her first boob job for her. How true that is I'm not sure. Sometimes I feel Mariah chose to sing differently from Daydream and that also affected the quality of her voice. But I defo agree the nose surgery didn't help. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 21:21) this is a reply to message 108,893

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,893) by Bill from the UK Mariah came to terms with her (non-existent) bad side years ago and has said as such in her interview. It is pretty clear and obvious she has had a small nose job, and a large breast job, since 1990. The nose job is incredibly subtle but clearly impacted her voice and happened during 1995. It is obvious as it was the first major change in her voice, that became more nasally and brassy on Daydream, and lost its body. That I chalk up to the nose job. The most noticeable breast augmentation was in 1999 when Rainbow launched, but there was talk of a smaller one in 1994, but not so sure about that. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 14:20)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,893) by Bill from the UK Mariah came to terms with her (non-existent) bad side years ago and has said as such in her interview. It is pretty clear and obvious she has had a small nose job, and a large breast job, since 1990. The nose job is incredibly subtle but clearly impacted her voice and happened during 1995. It is obvious as it was the first major change in her voice, that became more nasally and brassy on Daydream, and lost its body. That I chalk up to the nose job. The most noticeable breast augmentation was in 1999 when Rainbow launched, but there was talk of a smaller one in 1994, but not so sure about that. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 14:20) this is a reply to message 108,891

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,891) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End I love this theory so much and always have. Usually I'll scroll whatever site I am on and keep laughing. Today I have time: Mariah's left side is like the other side of the moon, only God and satellites have ever really had a full clear view. But we're supposed to believe she's gone under anesthesia several times and just left her "bad side" alone? Maybe the locals will humor you but a lamb will laugh behind your back. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 12:55)

Mariah's been known to say that maybe some people aren't meant to be happy (108,892) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End That sentiment has hung over her head like a dark cloud since forever. We've yet to hear her proclaim victory over it. Why she hangs on to that particular self-fulfilling prophesy is sad. Because ultimately it means that whenever she's happy and away from dysfunction, she'll subconsciously seek to undo that happiness. That's why IMHO some of her choices confuse people. Even though dysfunction hurts her, that's what's familiar. Mariah is a study in dichotomy because even as her brand rests firmly in positivity, faith, overcoming obstacles and dreaming big, she sets limitations on herself still that go against that. I'm not talking about her artistry (but I could make that car in another post). But her personal life and art are intrinsically tied because she's the writer, composer and conductor of her music that we know in large parts are autobiographical. I genuinely hope Mariah isn't out here "suffering" just to have material for her albums. Stop chasing unhappiness MC - reciprocate love, trust and respect, don't reject it under some dysfunctional idea formed when you were emotionally immature just trying to survive. Forgive me if I am going overboard as obviously I am not living Mariah's life. I couldn't possibly understand all of her motivations for how she chooses to live. But as a keen observer and lifetime fan/defender, I sense that I am not completely off track. I say all of this with the deepest Love, respect and hope. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 14:07)

Mariah Carey had 50-11 nose jobs but still insecure about "bad side"? (108,891) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End I love this theory so much and always have. Usually I'll scroll whatever site I am on and keep laughing. Today I have time: Mariah's left side is like the other side of the moon, only God and satellites have ever really had a full clear view. But we're supposed to believe she's gone under anesthesia several times and just left her "bad side" alone? Maybe the locals will humor you but a lamb will laugh behind your back. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 12:55)

Eternal 12 (108,890) by Edward from USA I agree. I think Mariah had a subtle nose job around the Daydream era, after that, it’s hard to tell because she contours her nose a lot. Aside from several minor touch-ups here an there, a great dose a Botox, some cheek fillers, the occasional honey facial, and her freezer chamber routine, I doubt she's had anything major done. I remember when people swore she’d had multiple boob jobs, only for it to turn out she was just rocking some serious push-up bras. My sister swears by those too, she buys them every ten years, but her husband says they feel hard as rocks, I don't know what that means. Anyway, I’m getting cheese fries. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 12:52) this is a reply to message 108,888

Eternal 12 (108,888) by Jamie from UK She's definitely had a few nose jobs which has altered her face from what it was, I preferred it before. It wasn't even big before now it's too small. I've had a couple of nose jobs so I'm not against surgery but a tweak that she had during Daydream was all that was needed for Mariah, now it's far too small. If you search Mariah nose before and after you can see the huge changes over the years. The tip had got progressively smaller. I was always under the impression as a singer you should never have a nose job, but a lot do. Could this be why her voice changed during Daydream the same time her nose did. I think she kept that first nose job until Glitter then from there you can notice even more changes. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 01:44)

Recording contract (108,889) by Bobby A from United States Is it possible that MC doesn't have a recording contract? It could explain why MC16 has not come to fruition. Record labels loan artists money to record an album and deliver it in a certain timeframe to the label for approval, mastering, and packaging. Surely, if she had a recording contract, MC16 would have been released by now. MC16 has been nothing but "talk" for the last 4 years. Janet Jackson is in the same situation. That is the reason why Janet keeps going on tour so much. She doesn't have a recording contract either. It was never like this in the 70s and 80s for artists when they reached the ages of MC and Janet. Will it happen to Taylor Swift in 15 years? (Thursday 29 May 2025; 05:12)

Eternal 12 (108,888) by Jamie from UK She's definitely had a few nose jobs which has altered her face from what it was, I preferred it before. It wasn't even big before now it's too small. I've had a couple of nose jobs so I'm not against surgery but a tweak that she had during Daydream was all that was needed for Mariah, now it's far too small. If you search Mariah nose before and after you can see the huge changes over the years. The tip had got progressively smaller. I was always under the impression as a singer you should never have a nose job, but a lot do. Could this be why her voice changed during Daydream the same time her nose did. I think she kept that first nose job until Glitter then from there you can notice even more changes. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 01:44) this is a reply to message 108,880

Eternal 12 (108,880) by Zachariah from Croatia I don't see that she had plastic surgery. I mean, it is not visible like when people get that car face or those puffed lips or similar. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 23:35)

Mariah's voice (108,887) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain So nice to have you back, Joachim. (Thursday 29 May 2025; 01:42) this is a reply to message 108,871

Mariah's voice (108,871) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I haven't written on this board lately, been some months. I have been in the top 20 as of messages throughout the last few years. Maybe I wrote a couple of messages at the start of the years, but after that, months. I am as most of you, devestated about the current condition of our girl, Mariah. She can't sing, she can't move, she can't show an emotion. It's clearly to almost all uf us, Mariah is in a bad state, and I think it's mentally and emotionally. Deep down, we all know that if Mariah gets in a happy place again, her voice will also follow, and we can have a few great moments again. The thing is, I have more agility and range in my voice than Mariah at the moment, and I'm a 41 years old man who has never tried singing as a career. I wish Mariah well, and all the help she needs. Let's stay positive now, folks? Love you, Mariah (Monday 26 May 2025; 22:27)

Eternal 12 (108,886) by Edward from USA Botox can render your face expressionless too. Unless you want to Cher your face up, there are new cosmetic procedures that take years of your face while still looking natural. I think Mariah's had minor procedures through the years, but nothing so dramatic though. (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 16:42) this is a reply to message 108,884

Eternal 12 (108,884) by TJ from Norway I don't have any evidence on the case, but hasn't some fans here written about her lack of facial expressions and it (surgery) might a reason for it? I don't know. There has been times during her career that I have watched her on tv shows, and I have been thinking that her face looks different since last time I watched her perform. She's 56 this year, has tons of money and work in an industry where it's sadly "normal" to fix things. Btw: 1 day, 14 hours and 39 minutes left before she release TEOM20. (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 09:21)

What version of Your Girl on Mimi Sessions? (108,885) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia May I know what version of that, is that the remix version or what? I really like the chorus when she sings "get with me tonight". (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 09:56)

Eternal 12 (108,884) by TJ from Norway I don't have any evidence on the case, but hasn't some fans here written about her lack of facial expressions and it (surgery) might a reason for it? I don't know. There has been times during her career that I have watched her on tv shows, and I have been thinking that her face looks different since last time I watched her perform. She's 56 this year, has tons of money and work in an industry where it's sadly "normal" to fix things. Btw: 1 day, 14 hours and 39 minutes left before she release TEOM20. (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 09:21) this is a reply to message 108,878

Eternal 12 (108,878) by MusicfanJ from Germany I hope not. I can't stand the Kardashians. Naturally beauty is the best. I'm always shocked when I see Pricella Presley. You can't tell her age anymore, but there's no mimic, like a mask. I always think that's spooky. And she was auch a beautiful woman, she didn't need it. Women like Andie McDowell, Sigourney Weaver and Helen Mirren are super role models, they look good and natural. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 19:48)

Eternal 12 (108,883) by Zachariah from Croatia *cat face (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 07:34) this is a reply to message 108,880

Eternal 12 (108,880) by Zachariah from Croatia I don't see that she had plastic surgery. I mean, it is not visible like when people get that car face or those puffed lips or similar. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 23:35)

Europe (108,882) by Bobby A from United States Nice. I will check out Croatia on the web as I plan my first trip to Europe. (Wednesday 28 May 2025; 01:12) this is a reply to message 108,881

Europe (108,881) by Zachariah from Croatia Croatia is a must to see. Beuatiful coastline and nice people. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 23:39)

Europe (108,881) by Zachariah from Croatia Croatia is a must to see. Beuatiful coastline and nice people. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 23:39) this is a reply to message 108,869

Europe (108,869) by Bobby A from United States Okay. I am planning my first trip to Europe in 2026. I know I want visit Capri where MC recorded some tracks from Charmbraclet. (Monday 26 May 2025; 18:54)

Eternal 12 (108,880) by Zachariah from Croatia I don't see that she had plastic surgery. I mean, it is not visible like when people get that car face or those puffed lips or similar. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 23:35) this is a reply to message 108,876

Eternal 12 (108,876) by TJ from Norway Do you guys think Mariah and Chris Jenner have been to the same plastic surgeon? They have some similarities in their faces at the moment. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 14:42)

Theory (108,879) by Sasha from Nomansland You might be right but I think she's involved in something even darker and more compromising. With all the dirt we're uncovering right now with the P. Diddy trial and human trafficking, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the string of deaths of several artists over the last decade have been covered up as suicides or overdoses. I just hope Mariah won't be another victim on the list of all these suspicious deaths. [Webmaster: This is the last message from crazy conspiracy theorists.] (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 19:57) this is a reply to message 108,874

Theory (108,874) by Lambi from USA I mean they did try to Britney Spear her. There was a part in her book (page 262) where she talks about Morgan had arranged a "spa" visit but it was actually a hardcore detox and rehab center. They administered her heavy, hard narcotics. Mariah said it made her sluggish, puffy and compliant. I believe this was them inducing mental illness to her. The book "Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties" reveals the MK ultra program, where they can give you mental illness via hard drugs. You'll have no choice but to be dependent on it, then you'll just be drugged to oblivion forever. I also vividly remember Mariah saying, "when I first found out about my diagnosis, I refused to believe it" which she was right. She never had mental illness to begin with. She was purposely driven to exhaustion to be easily irate. Pat knew which buttons to press and knew anyone who hasn't slept in a week will understandably snap. They then used her lashing out as an opportunity to misdiagnose, with the goal of inducing mental illness, to control her with drugs her whole life. I believe the mafia's desired effects have come into full bloom now. She is undoubtedly heavily depended on it; the dosage probably heightened, I would say right after NYE, when she exposed her BPD and admitted seeking "professional" help and probably even more so now, grieving Pat's death. Taking these meds is obviously a part of her pre-show ritual because she is rather sluggish and puffy. Every concert. I will categorize my assessment to be "allegedly" though, just to be marked safe. It's what I think make sense after recognizing what they've done to other pop stars and doing a deep dive in the history of Hollywood. I wouldn't say anyone is threatening her necessarily but I will say Mariah is aware of the patterns of their financial terrorism. So many have tried to come for her money. Right now Morgan (which is not to be trusted) is suing the crap out of her over her memoir. I think she is always working hard to afford top-notched lawyers, it really does take money to win cases. There's also a chance Morgan may be backed up again by the mafia. He was already in cahoots with the record company during Mariah's first breakdown and considering how many mainstream publications picked up this case. (People, The NY Times, Daily Mail, Today, Fox News, The Sun, Page Six etc.) A PR firm that's verifiably against Mariah is blasting these articles to the masses. I have read the filings and Morgan is relentless for her money. He is very technical and somehow found a way to forward this case into trial. Mariah will actually have swear under oath pretty soon. That and she's probably preparing to have more than enough sufficient funds for her biopic. Production and talent fees are expensive. It's maybe why she's working herself to the bone. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 11:21)

Eternal 12 (108,878) by MusicfanJ from Germany I hope not. I can't stand the Kardashians. Naturally beauty is the best. I'm always shocked when I see Pricella Presley. You can't tell her age anymore, but there's no mimic, like a mask. I always think that's spooky. And she was auch a beautiful woman, she didn't need it. Women like Andie McDowell, Sigourney Weaver and Helen Mirren are super role models, they look good and natural. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 19:48) this is a reply to message 108,876

Eternal 12 (108,876) by TJ from Norway Do you guys think Mariah and Chris Jenner have been to the same plastic surgeon? They have some similarities in their faces at the moment. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 14:42)

Reset (108,877) by Jamie from UK Can we get back to talking about Mariah and not these silly conspiracy theories? The mafia, Charles Manson. I'm I really reading this crazy talk. She's in a bad place that's it, only Mariah can sort herself out. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 17:51)

Eternal 12 (108,876) by TJ from Norway Do you guys think Mariah and Chris Jenner have been to the same plastic surgeon? They have some similarities in their faces at the moment. (Tuesday 27 May 2025; 14:42)

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