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Supreme songbird (101,833) by Edward from USA I'm pretty sure Trey, Tanaka and Mary Ann would say the same. The evidence says otherwise though. Many attendees are commenting that while it was fun, they noticed the struggle on the live parts. Of course as good lambs many are blaming it on the shows in Toronto. Sadly, she won't do anything about until another very publicized new year disaster happen again. If she were to go on tour with her newly recovered pandemic voice with two year rest, she would not make it past 3 shows and she knows it. Don't expect her going on tour after this. At this point it seems she's damaging her voice further trying to sing. I hope she doesn't listen to the sycophants and ass kissers and take care of her instrument, an instrument that has been considered national treasure. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 22:16) this is a reply to message 101,830

Supreme songbird (101,830) by Mariahsbaby from usa Joseph Kahn who has worked with Mariah on so many videos, my fave is #Beautiful. He has also worked with everyone from Snoop, Taylor swift, Britney to Chris brown. He wrote this after Mariahs show: "I've been working with Mariah Carey for over 20 years but tonight is the first time I've seen her live in concert, and I'm blown away. Her voice goes from soul to pop to opera effortlessly in seconds. No one like her. Wow." [censored] (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 19:30)

What's going on (101,832) by Luke from Slovakia I'm a long time lurker. Hi everybody. Since I don't now any Mariah fans I decided to share my concerns here. I don't mean to be negative but Mariah's vocal state is... bad. What happened? I've just watched live footage from her MSG performance and she sounds horrible. Her performance of Hark the Herald was jus sad to watch. In the end she couldn't even sing she was just catching breath. I really really hope she finally seeks out help. It baffles me that her, one of the greatest, just doesn't care about her voice. What is it with these women just taking the gift for granted? First Whitney and Mariah is getting there as well. Either do some scales before the show or don't take money for performance which is 70% lipped except som uh ohs, and staccato runs. Please Mariah, get some help. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 21:58)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,831) by Sasha from Nomansland Uuhhh good argument. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 20:52) this is a reply to message 101,828

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,828) by Lee from USA Uhhh, never mind. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 16:57)

Supreme songbird (101,830) by Mariahsbaby from usa Joseph Kahn who has worked with Mariah on so many videos, my fave is #Beautiful. He has also worked with everyone from Snoop, Taylor swift, Britney to Chris brown. He wrote this after Mariahs show: "I've been working with Mariah Carey for over 20 years but tonight is the first time I've seen her live in concert, and I'm blown away. Her voice goes from soul to pop to opera effortlessly in seconds. No one like her. Wow." [censored] (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 19:30)

MSG show (101,829) by MC1989 from Spain I hope they have good editors because it was her worst vocal day. I hope she gets medical attention soon. Address the problem to her close circle and go to a specialist. But her close circle would only say yass queen. You did amazing and you sound amazing. How is she going to stop if anyone around her wants to milk her? She even admitted that in the past she felt like an ATM with a wig on. Funny she doesn't see it's still happening. If I were her boyfriend I would tell her, darling, I love you and I want you to succeed, and because I love you I want to tell you the truth of what I hear, you still have a great voice, but you're struggling while singing. Go see this doctor or this therapist or whoever. Touring with this vocal condition is not a good idea. She's really struggling while singing. The hand movements while singing, that in the past felt organic or natural, now are an obvious symptom of feeling nervous, insecure and pretending to seem she's singing live when we all know she's lipping those damn parts. And the lipping it's not good. So my wish is to stop the exposure. Sometimes I think that until she reads really bad press commenting on her vocal deterioration she won't stop. Watching these performances I feel like another NYE disaster is about to happen anytime anywhere. I remember when fans walked away from a Whitney concert during her last tour. I don't want that to happen. But she needs to work hard on her technique, sing more often, rehearse over and over again and stop forcing her instrument like that. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 17:52) this is a reply to message 101,827

MSG show (101,827) by Robert-Anthony from United States It looks like from videos on the web that the December 13th show will be the one shown on CBS on the 20th. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 13:49)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,828) by Lee from USA Uhhh, never mind. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 16:57) this is a reply to message 101,822

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,822) by Sasha from Nomansland Everybody is aware now that her voice is pretty gone, it's not a secret. I guess people who go to her concerts have low expectations regarding her vocal abilities and that's why nobody complains. They are just happy to see her and good for them. And Mariah's wallet. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 20:52)

MSG show (101,827) by Robert-Anthony from United States It looks like from videos on the web that the December 13th show will be the one shown on CBS on the 20th. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 13:49)

Eta (101,826) by Littal from USA Sitting at the garden - what time is it for Mariah? (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 03:37)

#1 (101,825) by Edward from USA Here's hoping for AIWFCIY to stay at #1 for at least 4 weeks. (Wednesday 14 December 2022; 02:01)

Toronto etc (101,824) by DK from USA My sister (consider her general public vs. part of the lambily) was invited to attend MC's second show in Toronto (12/11). I was curious about her experience. She said MC came out 1.5 hours late, had many ensemble changes and had a glam team on stage attending to her - all of which my sister found off-putting. I asked how was the singing and she said Mariah sounded and looked great and the moment with her daughter was very sweet and caring. In comparison with other artists she has seen live, she found Mariah's show overall disappointing as it was more about "her diva persona" and less about the music or ability to genuinely connect with fans live. In one of the online clips (from the first night in Toronto) Mariah stated that she had not rehearsed "Miss You Most..." (end of this clip), which I find quite odd for such a big venue/show with a televised CBS/Paramount deal. I have seen her in multiple shows in the past and she has been great. I rarely comment here but I sense more personal negativity than constructive criticism. At the end of the day, Mariah is a business entity and a private human being. Perhaps different people have different reasons for being here, but my primary reason is to learn something niche/rare about Mariah (including tips about upcoming projects) that is not already available to the general public. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 21:39)

White Lotus (101,823) by Todd from Sydney, Australia I just finished season two of White Lotus. I couldn't help but think Mariah could find herself a niche similar to Jennifer Coolidge had done. They have similar vibes, and I reckon Mariah could've given the role of Tania a good go. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 21:17)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,822) by Sasha from Nomansland Everybody is aware now that her voice is pretty gone, it's not a secret. I guess people who go to her concerts have low expectations regarding her vocal abilities and that's why nobody complains. They are just happy to see her and good for them. And Mariah's wallet. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 20:52) this is a reply to message 101,814

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,821) by Shae_anne from Brazil Thank you. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 19:47) this is a reply to message 101,820

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,820) by jaker20 from US Since my post was censored, let me just rephase that. No, I don't think any of them were there (as usual). It's just another negativity group think (as usual) because Mariah is their favorite punch bag (as usual). And apparently their opinion matters more than those who were actually there and enjoyed the show because they decided to focus on that. Hopefully, this is a much nicer post. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 17:44)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,820) by jaker20 from US Since my post was censored, let me just rephase that. No, I don't think any of them were there (as usual). It's just another negativity group think (as usual) because Mariah is their favorite punch bag (as usual). And apparently their opinion matters more than those who were actually there and enjoyed the show because they decided to focus on that. Hopefully, this is a much nicer post. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 17:44) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,819) by Edward from USA I couldn't have said better. I've gone to the Christmas shows three times at Beacon Theater, and with the euphoria and excitement, one don't really notice the miming or even the struggle unless it is really bad. At Beacon Theater she was way better than this, but guess what? When I got home, and looked at the videos my friend and I recorded from third row, I could notice everything, the good and the not so good, but at that point, the not so good was very decent. She wasn't sing-shouting or singing as if she was in pain or constipated. It's delusional to think that cellphone recordings are altering anything to make her look bad. Video and sound from camcorders can't compete with the high quality of cellphones recordings nowadays, but if you watch that awful recording of Mariah on the Music Box Tour, you would notice that while the image was bad, Mariah sounded amazing, so there goes that theory. If anything, fan's recordings with cellphones have just come to expose her, that's all. Nobody is expecting her to sound like in the 1990's, but she should have some respect for the people who are paying their hard earned money to go see a decent show and there's nothing wrong about it. Mariah doesn't owe us anything, but we don't owe her anything either. It's only fair to demand a decent performance for a decent amount of money. Being delusional is looking at those recordings and think that the recordings are so distorted that they make her sound as if were struggling or plain flat. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 17:29) this is a reply to message 101,814

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,818) by jaker20 from US [censored] Merry Christmas. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 16:50) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,817) by Lee from USA About time someone gave us some first person insight into her performances instead of critiques of cell phone clips. These critics are talking about a "charade" but it would mean that the audience at the concert, her inner circle, and the media must in cahoots with her to make her look good. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 16:40) this is a reply to message 101,809

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,809) by SM from Citizen of the World Amen. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 11:57)

Toronto shows (101,816) by Terna from Nigeria Oh dear, haha. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 16:29) this is a reply to message 101,811

Toronto shows (101,811) by Shae_anne from Brazil [Webmaster: This message was completely censored, because of the many insults.] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:43)

Toronto shows (101,815) by Bill from the UK The thing you're missing, is that someone has to say something, and we older fans do because we have followed her career with love and devotion since the beginning. No one in her camp is telling her to lay off the alcohol and weed, as it is crippling her voice and legacy. Not Bryan, not Trey, not Mary Ann. Why stop their paycheck? But any friend that loved and cared about her would see the self sabotage and do something about it. But, carry on shouting "yas queen" until she goes the way of Whitney. It will be on your head when that happens, for enabling and supporting and cheering on her demise. None of us are enjoying coming here to say this, but we love her too much to stand by and watch it unfold in front of our eyes. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 15:31) this is a reply to message 101,810

Toronto shows (101,810) by Shae_anne from Brazil Then [...] is what I'm saying, stop investing your time and hateful energy on her because that's all you'll do. Sit and back complain as if [...] could do any better. [...] stop talking out here as if your doing her any favors psychoanalyzing everything that she does. If she bothers you and you just feel critical about her instead of appreciating her as an artist that's established all that she needs to [censored]. She's at home with her millions and adoring fans that still appreciate her and your [...] to nitpick and bully her on about. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Toronto shows (101,813) by Bill from the UK Terna you're completely right. How quickly everybody forgets that it was us original fans from the beginning that got her all those number ones, alongside her "own G4 and the Benz with the doors that lift up from the floor". She wouldn't be where she is today were it not for our love and support. And yes, she does score a number one every year. With a track from 1994 with 1994 vocals. Otherwise, she hasn't had a hit since Obsessed. And don't come at me with Big Energy. That was Genius of Love, with a rap, and featured Mariah on a remix. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:37) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,812) by BFF from United States I agree with Terna, Bill and others who are putting forth honest assessments and critiques of Mariah's performances. It is not hateful or demeaning to point out what is objectively true: Mariah is not training/exercising her voice. She is not taking care of her physical health. She is relying heavily on pre-recorded tracks and altering those tracks from time to time to disguise the lip syncing. We do not need to be in the audience at these shows to know what's going on. Many of us have been following her for years and know all of the tricks she has used to disguise the lip syncing since the late 1990s... back when she did it more sparingly. Mariah needs honest people in her circle to tell her the truth. Sometimes the kindest thing someone can do is to tell the truth rather than to go along with the charade. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 13:04) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,811) by Shae_anne from Brazil [Webmaster: This message was completely censored, because of the many insults.] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:43) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,810) by Shae_anne from Brazil Then [...] is what I'm saying, stop investing your time and hateful energy on her because that's all you'll do. Sit and back complain as if [...] could do any better. [...] stop talking out here as if your doing her any favors psychoanalyzing everything that she does. If she bothers you and you just feel critical about her instead of appreciating her as an artist that's established all that she needs to [censored]. She's at home with her millions and adoring fans that still appreciate her and your [...] to nitpick and bully her on about. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32) this is a reply to message 101,807

Toronto shows (101,807) by Bill from the UK Hah. It always makes me laugh when the age old excuse of her singing for 30 years is why her voice started going south (in 1997) to the point where she can no longer get through an entire song without playback, backing singer masking, breathing issues, flat and shouty notes etc. This is said even though hundreds upon hundreds of other singers that have been singing just as long sound fine, with minimal voice deterioration. Those that experienced it, shock horror, were heavy smokers, drinkers and drug users. Wake up and join the dots. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:31)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,809) by SM from Citizen of the World Amen. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 11:57) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

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