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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: The Christmas Princess (99,411) (99,414) by Bill from the UK (Sips sugary Butterfly drink and nibbles on Christmas cookie, whilst wearing an Automatic Princess t shirt, as Why You Mad plays in the background.) Failed venture of Mariah's? I don't know what you mean. (Thursday 13 January 2022; 12:54)

Re: We're Not Making Love Anymore (99,402) (99,405) by Bill from the UK Where did you hear that Mariah and Michael were going to duet I'll Be There for Emotions? First I've heard of that. Not sure that is true. The I'll Be There lore is that Mariah originally wanted to sing Vanishing, but MTV insisted on a cover song, as every artist on Unplugged usually does that. In a last minute decision they all decided on I'll Be There and rehearsed it only moments before the show started filming. It was only due to the heavy rotation MTV gave the programme, and how quickly radio picked up on the song, that it then became a single and the EP released shortly afterwards. (Sunday 9 January 2022; 18:04)

Re: Blending eras (99,398) (99,400) by Bill from the UK CB is a strange fish. It was the first Mariah album I was indifferent about. Like I wasn't overwhelmed like I was with Daydream and Butterfly, neither was I underwhelmed like I was with MCIIY and Memoirs. I was just, whelmed. If that exists. I remember, on first listen, getting more and more frustrated with the whispering as the album progressed, especially by the 32nd chorus of Lullaby. Nowadays, I see it for what it is, which was quite rightly put earlier as a premonition of what TEOM would be. A subtle nudge towards it, to test the water. It's definitely a "mood" album, where I have to be feeling a particular way, or the air feel a certain way, for me to book out the afternoon to listen to it (it's a long arse album as well), but when I do I always enjoy it now. Except Boy of course. (Saturday 8 January 2022; 12:17)

Re: There's an album somewhere (99,394) (99,395) by Bill from the UK Do we know if the Brandy collab is a duet or just MC writing and "coaching" Brandy with how to sing it? (Friday 7 January 2022; 18:00)

Re: Blending eras (99,388) (99,389) by Bill from the UK The debut/Emotions/Unplugged era is my favourite and the best blended era in my view. I completely agree that the E=MC2 to Memoirs era was the most jarring. Her look, vocals, style, energy, everything was completely different. Amazing given the short gap between the albums. (Friday 7 January 2022; 00:06)

Re: Never Forget You (99,370) (99,372) by Bill from the UK "Oh, OK. I'm sorry." Apology accepted. "I forgot this music industry is all about women and how they are treated respectfully and honored." Exactly. Mariah is one of the most highly awarded artists out there. As are Beyonce, Whitney, Adele, Celine, Alicia etc. Pioneering women in the industry such as Aretha, Carole King, Tina Turner etc. have had shows dedicated to them and Broadway shows written about their careers. Sometimes people look for problems that simply aren't there. "How they can dress the way they want, how they can age the way they want and how they can eat the way they want. I guess I really didn't hear myself." That's understandable. After all, nobody has told Mariah what to wear since 1997. People are allowed to state whether her outfits look good or not, as they do with anybody. Mariah has looked flawless, elegant, and incredible on countless occasions. She has also, every so often, chosen outfits that do not do her justice. The leotard phase during the Nightmare Era is a good example of that, or when she chose to wear lingerie in public. "This things never happened. Imagine someone coming on the board and saying Mariah can't talk on interviews or how Mariah's dresses are making her fat and the urgency we have for a man to take control over her. Imagine that. We should all petition for Mariah's conservatorship to begin since she can't handle shit. Walter and Tommy should be her conservators." This is a really stupid statement and I think even you know that. Mariah's most successful points in her career was when she was guided and managed by men. That's a fact and there's nothing you or I can do about that. Her management under Stella was awful. Would you rather Stella over LA Reid simply because she's a woman? Come on now. Tommy and LA were businessmen who treated the industry as such. Mariah is a creative who is best left to oversee and manage the creative element of her career. What is wrong with that? It has clearly worked in the past. If an equally competent female manager was to appear on the scene I'd be as delighted as the next person. Mariah has said she's working with a man she's worked with in the past so she is clearly happy and comfortable about that. Why you and Nikki have turned this into a witch hunt against Walter Afanasieff is beyond me. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 21:12)

Re: Never Forget You (99,366) (99,368) by Bill from the UK "Mariah is always treated here like an incapable person and her talent are always diminished because she is a woman. She is always in need of a man to 'keep her in track' or to get a hit. Even suggesting Tommy to come back." I've never seen anyone do that. I think l, as fans, we all recognise Mariah's talent as a singer and a songwriter. But to completely attempt to erase one of her key collaborators from the past simply because you don't like him is immature. Most of Nikki's posts are made up, speculative rants with no sources, truth or integrity behind them and someone needs to bring everything back down to earth sometimes. No one here has ever diminished Mariah, and certainly if people have criticised her, it wouldn't be just because she is a woman. Honestly, can you hear yourself? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:24)

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,367) by Bill from the UK "If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore." Tell that to Adele lol. "Mariah was 'asked to choose'? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter." Not true. If you read the memoir, Mariah goes into detail about how her writing partnership with Margulies ended, and it was because of the contract he had made her sign which he refused to be bought out of. Mariah then had to find another collaborator from the debut line up. She indicated in later years that she did not work well with Narada Michael Walden, and also felt Ric Wake and Rhett Lawrence overproduced the songs, and that the demos were better, so opted to work with Walter for the Emotions album, and C&C Music Factory were suggested by the record company for the other half of the album. "Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY?" I don't know what this has to do with anything. I didn't state Walter wrote more or less of the songs in my post. I don't think your statement is true about Mariah writing songs solo, can you provide your source for that? To my knowledge the only solo Mariah composition is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow. Mariah cannot play an instrument competently enough to be able to write solo, and she has stated this several times. Part of AIWFCIY's appeal is the music programming, for which Walter was entirely responsible. "The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter." Um, he co-wrote all of them with her. "How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left?" Walter's post-Mariah accomplishments have been listed on this website many times, and his Wikipedia page tells you that he is an incredibly successful songwriter and producer to this day. Successful hits that had Walter's involvement: Love Takes Time, Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Dreamlover, Hero, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend, Endless Love, All I Want for Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Open Arms, Butterfly, My All. That is pretty much a list of Mariah's signature tunes, minus We Belong Together. "After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right?" I think Walter has a bit more clout in the industry than a reactor on YouTube. Happy New Year. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:18)

Re: Vinyls (99,356) (99,359) by Bill from the UK Yes I must say The Rarities vinyl is probably the best one. I love the presentation of the whole thing. I also have that promo box set called 12's that was released in 1998. At the time, MC said that #1's was going to be the hits on 1 disc and a 2nd disc of remixes. I wonder if 12's is what the 2nd CD would have consisted of? Either way, we eventually got The Remixes and then all the MC30 EPs so we got remixed out. Even though, for those of you that remember my little remix series I was running at the time, several did not make it onto the EPs. #JusticeForTheReggaeSoulMixesofABMB (Monday 3 January 2022; 16:45)

Re: Vinyls (99,345) (99,353) by Bill from the UK Hi Matty. I have all the original vinyl releases (debut through to joining Def Jam) except Glitter and #1's. You're right, Glitter is super rare and I was really disappointed it wasn't re-issued for the 20th anniversary. I then got the re-releases when they came out for MC30 as the vinyl quality is much better. I avoided the colour versions as black vinyl both wears better, lasts longer, and sounds better. I was pleased they were all faithfully replicated from the originals, except that the original Butterfly vinyl release opened with the Bad Boy Mix of Honey, not the original. In terms of singles, I have pretty much everything from the debut through to Rainbow, except Without You 12", which very rarely appears and when it does, is in awful condition and far too expensive. It's not as if "I can't live, if living is without the 12 inch vinyl release of Without You", so that gap in my collection doesn't annoy me too much. Bobby A was kind enough to get me the bottle green version of the debut when it was released. A beautiful item that I got purely because it looks so attractive. Like Mariah. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 17:10)

Re: Mariah surprises fans (99,335) (99,336) by Bill from the UK Lol, that was one giant ad for McDonalds. I'm very nervous about her messing with The Roof. That song is perfection. Why paint a peacock? (Friday 31 December 2021; 23:08)

Re: Never Forget You (99,316) (99,320) by Bill from the UK Again, not true. Mariah was asked to pick from the producers from the debut after Margulies was axed, and she chose Walter as the one to work with. She has said her favourite song from Emotions was And You Don't Remember (Afanasieff), her favourite from Music Box is AYNAF (Afanasieff), her favourite from Merry Christmas is AIWFCIY (Afanasieff), her favourite from Daydream is Underneath the Stars (Afanasieff) and her favourite from Butterfly is Close My Eyes (Afanasieff). And of course, if a nobody reactor on YouTube doesn't like Music Box then that must be reflective of the record buying public. (Wednesday 29 December 2021; 16:17)

Re: Can't sing diss 1999 (99,315) (99,319) by Bill from the UK This is all completely made up, speculative, and fabricated. (Wednesday 29 December 2021; 16:12)

Re: Best video director (99,296) (99,297) by Bill from the UK No, I only have whatever was put out on her official DVDs, and any gaps I downloaded from iTunes if they had them. They do have most of them which is good. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 16:07)

Re: Why the ugly clothes? (99,290) (99,292) by Bill from the UK Yeh it comes off as tacky. Her best look was 1996 Daydream era when she had the straight yet wavy hair, the headbands, and classy outfits. Sort of decked out in First Lady attire. I guess she was the First Lady of Sony Music back then, being married to the President and all that. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 14:17)

Re: Best video director (99,289) (99,291) by Bill from the UK More than just Fantasy my good friend. Always Be My Baby and the remix, she co-directed Butterfly, Breakdown and The Roof (one of her best videos), and also directed the secret Soul Convention AYNAF video, and I think she did the Pure Imagination remix of I Still Believe as well. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 13:25)

Re: Best video director (99,287) (99,288) by Bill from the UK You forgot to add Mariah to your list. Shake It Off and Get Your Number was a double A side in the UK, so yes I imagine the videos were filmed at the same time for the release of the single, bit am not 100% sure. From your list my favourite would be Diane Martel, but I loved a lot of what Larry Jordan did. He did some of her earlier videos like Someday and I Don't Wanna Cry, plus her live concert videos. Hero and Without You are so iconic to me. Hero for the timelessness and Without You because it was so big in the UK. I also love Make It Happen which was directed by Marcus Nispel. He's done countless videos (for others) and so many of his I love. I think all her videos from Emotions were perfect. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 00:23)

Re: Latest Instagram post (99,274) (99,275) by Bill from the UK Yeh and her visit to McDonalds she posted was a complete mess. (Friday 24 December 2021; 09:14)

Re: Mariah's voice (99,222) (99,230) by Bill from the UK Justin Bieber's voice broke, that is why he can't sing high notes anymore. He is a male, and traditionally, when a man goes through puberty his voice deepens. So that argument cannot be applied to Mariah. Plenty of female singers have had long, fruitful careers with little to no wear of their vocals. Certainly not to the extent of Mariah's. Let's look at her nearest competitor, Celine Dion. I don't like her music, but her output probably matches Mariah's in terms of tours and album schedules, and she probably lips as much as well. The difference being, Celine's voice has "aged", but in a graceful way. She can still sing well and her voice still sounds pleasant. If you're sitting here and saying Christmas Baby Please Come Home 2021 was a stylistic choice you are kidding yourself. I have sung semi-professionally (demos and backgrounds) since my mid 20s. I'm in my late 30s and don't have to resort to staccato singing as apparently every singer that enters their 30s has to, in your world. That is simply not true. (Monday 20 December 2021; 14:06)

Re: Interesting thought (99,211) (99,214) by Bill from the UK The same can be said for her songwriting partners. Women have only cropped up here and there but usually it's men that she collaborates with. (Sunday 19 December 2021; 12:53)

Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)

Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)

Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,163) by Bill from the UK Rhinoplasty may or may not impact a voice, the fact is you won't know until after you have had it. Great that yours didn't impact you, but Mariah's clearly did as her voice has never returned to the strong, voluminous, agile voice she had on her first four albums. You can tell on Daydream almost immediately that her voice is thinner and like she's singing with a blocked nose. Yes, she sounded better post breakdown, when presumably she stopped drinking or engaging in other vices, but it never came anywhere close to where it was 1990-1994, and quickly went downhill after the success of TEOM. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:14)

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