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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: Daydream anniversary (93,042) (93,050) by Bill from the UK Yes. Although my deluxe would be overkill. Disc one: 1-12: Original album (re-mastered) Disc two: 1. Fantasy (Radio Mix) 2. Fantasy (Bad Boy Fantasy) 3. Fantasy (Bad Boy with ODB) 4. Fantasy (Bad Boy Mix) 5. Fantasy (Def Club Mix) 6. Fantasy (MC Mix) 7. Fantasy (Puffy's Mix) 8. Fantasy (Puffy's Club Mix) 9. Fantasy (The Boss Mix) 10. Fantasy (Sweet Dub Mix) 11. Fantasy (Def Drums Mix) Disc three: 1. One Sweet Day (A Cappella) 2. One Sweet Day (Sweet A Cappella) 3. One Sweet Day (Chucky's Remix) 5. One Sweet Day (Live) 6. Underneath the Stars (Drifting Remix) 7. Underneath the Stars (Drifting Remix without Rap) 8. El Amor Que Sone 9. Slipping Away 10. Just Be Good to Me (Live) 11. The Crave Song 12. Looking In (Opening coos version) Disc four: 1. Always Be My Baby (Mr. Dupri Mix) 2. Always Be My Baby (Mr. Dupri Extended Mix) 3. Always Be My Baby (Mr. Dupri No Rap Radio Mix) 4. Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul Mix) 5. Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul Dub) 6. Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul A Cappella) 7. Always Be My Baby (Def Classic Radio Version) 8. Always Be My Baby (Always Club) 9. Always Be My Baby (Dub A Baby) 10. Always Be My Baby (Groove A Pella) 11. Always Be My Baby (ST Dub) DVD one: Tokyo Dome concert in HD DVD two: Rotterdam concert in HD DVD three: 1. Fantasy video 2. Fantasy remix video 3. One Sweet Day video 4. Open Arms video 6. Always Be My Baby video 7. Always Be My Baby remix video 8. Forever video 9. El Amor Que Sone video 10. Underneath the Stars video DVD four: MSG concert in HD If you're gonna do a deluxe, go all out. That's my motto. (Tuesday 25 February 2020; 15:40)

Re: Slipping Away on IG (93,033) (93,045) by Bill from the UK Funny you should say that. I don't think I've ever mentioned it but I was at London Wembley Arena in 1996 and it was one of my top ten best days of my entire life. (Tuesday 25 February 2020; 06:56)

Re: #Beautiful should have been the 19th (93,038) (93,044) by Bill from the UK I think it was the lack of a bridge or key change. It started off great but was then just the same line over and over until the end, like they have up halfway. (Tuesday 25 February 2020; 06:55)

Re: #Beautiful should have been the 19th (93,027) (93,029) by Bill from the UK That's not how you spell Migrate. (Monday 24 February 2020; 17:11)

Re: Question please help (93,015) (93,020) by Bill from the UK Yes, it was Crybaby. Sony didn't want to go with another ballad after Thank God I Found You and Against All Odds. They relented somewhat and released a double-a side single, but then (according to Mariah) didn't promote it. It's odd because CTTA was much more in the vein of Classic Mariah than Crybaby, so you would have thought it would have been the other way round. (Monday 24 February 2020; 08:28)

Re: Slipping Away on IG (93,009) (93,019) by Bill from the UK Very nice. The justice for Slipping Away hashtag. I hope this means it will appear on the 25th anniversary edition of the Daydream album, along with one of the European tour dates on DVD. Europe was always way better than the Tokyo dates in my opinion. (Monday 24 February 2020; 07:03)

Re: Non-single favourites (92,989) (92,998) by Bill from the UK Not only is mine not a single, it's not even an album track. Do You Think of Me is one of the most beautiful songs she has ever written. We have all been there and thought those thoughts. Unrequited love is one of the hardest things we go through in this world. (Saturday 22 February 2020; 23:11)

Re: A joke (92,983) (92,986) by Bill from the UK Well said. (Saturday 22 February 2020; 10:25)

Re: Alcohol (92,964) (92,965) by Bill from the UK Indeed. The thing that annoyed me the most was when she was awarded for her performance in Precious. After all the ridicule for Glitter, she was taken seriously by the industry for her supporting role in the film, and what did she do? Give a drink acceptance speech. It was embarrassing, disrespectful, and it is this people will remember, not her acting. (Thursday 20 February 2020; 18:31)

The Blast (92,952) by Bill from the UK Ugh, this is bad to read. I do wonder what on earth Mariah is so afraid of being revealed to the public. This is why I continue to campaign for her to lift the lid and come clean about everything and have the ultimate catharsis. She can never be happy until she does, and we will still love her no matter what. If only she knew she was more than a commodity to us. Also, I hate that picture of her that accompanied the article. Hate it. She looks like Alison. (Wednesday 19 February 2020; 22:40)

Re: We Belong Together (92,927) (92,934) by Bill from the UK This has been Mariah's issue since 2005. She is forever trying to recreate We Belong Together. But WBT is WBT. It won't ever be matched. It was of its time and was a stroke of genius. The lyrics, the delivery, the vocals, the production, it all came together at that moment. It was a success because she had never done anything like it before, and it was a sincere effort. All the replicas released since are just that. The next WBT, should there be one, will be something completely different and new. Often imitated, never duplicated. (Wednesday 19 February 2020; 07:30)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,917) (92,918) by Bill from the UK Well, note I said I had "suspicions", but Tokyo is a lot of the studio performances with the semitone lowered. It's pretty noticeable when you look out for it, but then, that concert was overdubbed so it does not truly reflect what happened on stage that night. As for the European dates, jury is still out. But listen to them on YouTube, and you'll see what I mean. And as for the removal of the smoke and mirrors post-divorce, yes, that has long been a conspiracy theory but then I can't see Sony wanting to sabotage their top act. Regardless of their personal issues, Tommy was there to make money and Mariah was their top earner. You don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. I think it's as per Randy's theory. Something, some event, happened after Daydream. Trauma from the divorce? The post-divorce indulgences? A quick descent into alcoholism? Who knows. But there was a definite turning point between the last night of the Daydream tour and the promotion for Butterfly in 1997. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 11:27)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,905) (92,908) by Bill from the UK Great message, you spoke the truth, and it was brave to post. I believe only a real fan could write something like that, so I for one would never question your intentions or sincerity. (Monday 17 February 2020; 20:32)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,896) (92,903) by Bill from the UK I have my suspicions about the Daydream tour though. There are some clear playback parts in Tokyo and when listening to the (awful) recordings of the European dates, some notes and ad libs are exactly the same every single night. So I do question whether she truly flat out sang 15 of her songs back to back in one evening with zero support. I think it's just her voice was on par with the playback back then so it was hard to detect. Whereas now we get a barked one note in speaking range "eh" followed by a multi octave run of "it's a chance I've got to taa-ee-yaa-aaaaa-eee-aaaaa-aaaa-eeee-yaaaaakeee" where it's clearly lipped. (Monday 17 February 2020; 16:17)

Re: No vocal audit (92,880) (92,885) by Bill from the UK I love how it's now Andre vs. Andrew. (Sunday 16 February 2020; 15:09)

Re: Bill (92,881) (92,884) by Bill from the UK Okay, thank you, that's nice of you. I guess the frustrations are felt on both sides. But Endless Love with Trey was really good the other day. (Sunday 16 February 2020; 13:02)

Re: Bill (92,867) (92,875) by Bill from the UK "I do mind when people become blatantly frustrated by their own shortcomings and project them onto people way above their own achievements." Was that in reference to my post? If so, I came to terms with my injury and found a very rewarding job as a coach. The analogy I'd use there is MC coming to terms with where she's at vocally and perhaps instead focus on being a songwriter, or at least sing in her range she has (and Caution was a step in the right direction). It's almost as if Mariah is very gradually, with every album, toning it down so that she can eventually sing in her remaining range. But the lambs will keep baying for more whistles, more number ones, and more sales. "Well here I am, for all of them to bleed". Never a truer phrase ever sung by Mariah. Shame on you all. (Saturday 15 February 2020; 09:56)

Re: O Holy Night (92,853) (92,862) by Bill from the UK So, proving my point somewhat, the majority of that performance was a backing track. (Friday 14 February 2020; 19:45)

Re: Bill (92,849) (92,850) by Bill from the UK I don't think being honest and realistic about a situation is necessarily negative. It's a fact and it is what it is. I love Mariah dearly but my concern is more around what this facade is doing for someone who has said she is insecure and is mentally unwell enough to be diagnosed with bipolar. Just as she stopped enabling Alison all those years ago, I think we are (and forgive the dramatic turn of phrase) but killing her with kindness. If every time she gets up on stage and lip syncs another number we respond with "yas queen slay I don't know her" then it only heightens her insecurities and instabilities. Any true fan, that genuinely cares for her as a person rather than a commodity to score number 1s so you can throw it in Ariana's fans faces, would be happy for her to come clean and remove that burden. I used to be a very successful swimmer in my youth, to the point that I was in training for the Olympics. However, an accident at work damaged my shoulder which meant my swimming career was over immediately. I don't re-run clips of me in the pool winning medals from 1999 and say it was filmed yesterday. It's a sad, unfortunate event but it happened. Much as Mariah losing her voice all those years ago was. It does annoy me when the first response is to stick your fingers in your ear and call me negative, when really I am speaking the truth here. Nothing I said was made up, it's just that the truth hurts when it's about somebody you love, which is understandable. (Friday 14 February 2020; 15:02)

Re: Andrew (92,845) (92,848) by Bill from the UK "Her breathy vocals, low notes, mid notes, falsetto and her whistle register are on fire. And she can still reach those high notes." In honestly, they aren't and she can't. And you know that (no one is that delusional/gullible, surely?). Mariah cannot get through one song without playback or lip syncing, and she hasn't sung a live whistle note in at least five years. It's great that you defend and support her, but stop lying. (Friday 14 February 2020; 14:06)

Re: In The Fix (92,835) (92,843) by Bill from the UK Noodles lol. (Friday 14 February 2020; 07:22)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,796) (92,807) by Bill from the UK Lol, has it really got so bad that we now praise her speaking voice? Heavens to Betsy. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 13:04)

Re: Vocal decline (92,790) (92,791) by Bill from the UK Since you put it that way, honey I'm gonna stay. (Monday 10 February 2020; 18:11)

I Had a Vision of Love (92,784) by Bill from the UK I've been thinking about the memoir. I've seen it written here by fans on several occasions that they would like her to address the vocal decline. There are two schools of thought around the cause: entirely self-inflicted through alcohol, marijuana and other substance abuse/over indulgence, or an entirely unavoidable and uncontrollable natural decline caused through years upon years of straining her voice through bad/unwise technique and having to live up to the expectation to sing in the manner that made her so famous. My question to you is, let's say Mariah did address this issue, came clean once and for all, and with the statement, announced her retirement from singing. How would you feel about it? Would you feel relieved, happy for her bravery, annoyed, cheated, heartbroken? Imagine the relief it would give her, to end the charade and focus on songwriting and raising her children. Her career of 30 years will never be matched by anybody. The legacy she would leave would be something that would be referenced for generations after we have all left this world. Her accolades, awards, recognitions, and citations would never be challenged. She has had an amazing career. The title of the memoir is what got me thinking about this. It would be like the circle has closed. The "vision of love" was her career, she had it, and (as per the last line of the song), it has now gone away. It would be an incredibly poignant and respectable exit from an industry that she has forever changed and dominated since her debut. Her back catalogue is a treasure trove of wonderful music, beautifully composed and put together with intricate, intelligent song writing. I think it would be an incredibly sad, but sincere and perfect end to her career. It's either that, or more years of her in a sparkly leotard atop a chaise lounge barking out "eh". (Sunday 9 February 2020; 21:08)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,776) (92,783) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. I don't think "slay" is the right adjective here. But Scott's completely right, the voice isn't there and the constant touring only highlights that she cannot replicate her work live without an awful lot of smoke and mirrors these days. She's now done far more ropey performances than good ones. Part of me thinks she should just hang up the jewel encrusted malfunctioning ear piece and be done with it. Sit back, raise the children, write songs for other people, and watch the dollars hit the bank account every month. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 18:54)

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