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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Music Box 30th anniversary revealed (103,270) by Bill from the UK I am so excited for this news. And wow, a new song from the recording sessions, I can't wait to hear it. And finally, to have the Thanksgiving concert on audio at last. Music Box was my first Mariah album and still to this day remains one of my favourites. It is a beautiful album, thank you Mariah for this gift. (Thursday 31 August 2023; 23:58) this is a reply to message 103,266

Music Box 30th anniversary revealed (103,266) by Robert-Anthony from United States It will be out on 9/8. Here's what will be included on the 4LP 3CD cassette anniversary edition: Expanded edition with bonus tracks 1. My Prayer - new track from the recording sessions 2. Hero - 2009 Version 3. AYNAF - Extended Version 4. Music Box - Acapella... Oooh wee. I need to hear this version. 5. Dream Lover - Live at the Top of Pops *Live at Proctor's Theatre 1. new remastered audio *Behind the Scenes of Dream Lover video - Mini Documentary *Dream Lover video 4k *MC Then and Now featurette *And many more bonus features (Thursday 31 August 2023; 16:45)

Discounted singles (103,225) by Bill from the UK Being the UK there weren't any tactics like this, other than the CD singles being released in "two parts" to sustain sales in the second week, and make rabid fans like me buy every version for different remixes or the alternative cover art (shout out to the UK exclusive Always Be My Baby artwork). I have been known to narrow my eyes in suspicion at the "one week only" #1s. I agree with what you say about My All and Thank God I Found You. I wouldn't say it applies to Heartbreaker and One Sweet Day though, because they had quite long stays at the top (especially OSD), plus Heartbreaker's great video would have helped as that whole thing was a hoot. This is why I roll my eyes when the (ducks) yaas queens lay down the "she's had two hundred thousand number ones" trump card. It's like, ask Joe Public to name 6 of them. Go on I'll wait. And yes, we all love Loverboy for all sorts of reasons (my affection for it is because it's such a mess), but there's no way that would have even cracked the top ten stateside were it not for it being sold for a penny or whatever it was. I always felt the UK's chart position of #12 was justified. It didn't warrant a top ten position, but deserved to knock at the door and be asked to the party, only to be sent away. I've had too much wine. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 22:17) this is a reply to message 103,224

Discounted singles (103,224) by Randy from USA Good topic. I think the singles that might not have gone to number one without fans rushing to buy physical copies are more-so Thank God I Found You and My All. Loverboy definitely wouldn't have gone to #2. I Still Believe wouldn't have gone to #4 either. I believe Honey, One Sweet Day and Heartbreaker are true driven by the general public number ones. Non-fans know those songs and those videos stayed in heavy rotation on MTV. My All's week at #1 comes after week 4 of Too Close by Next's 5 weeks at #1. Then Too Close returns to number one which clearly shows My All went to number one as soon as a physical copy/discounted copy was offered to rabid fans like me who already had the Butterfly album but wanted remixes and alternate versions. At least the general public has heard of My All. TGIFY is a song nobody but us knows. It's one week interrupted Savage Garden's I Knew I Loved You after its 3rd week at #1. After TGIFY was number one for one week then Savage Garden returned to #1. Again rabid fans like me wanted the Keith Sweat Make It Last Forever Remix. I remember buying that maxi-single. One store was out and another store sold me their last one. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 19:08)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,219) by Bill from the UK Absolutely. It gives such a sombre end to the record and feels unfinished without it. Such an epic closer that gives the record more breadth definitely. Jamie I love the new picture, very Magnum PI (that's a compliment). (Saturday 19 August 2023; 12:12) this is a reply to message 103,218

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,218) by Jamie from UK Yeah I get that when you've had the album as a whole from the start, anything else wouldn't feel part of it. To me it wouldn't feel Music Box without it as that's how we heard it over here. I remember thinking at the time why's it a bonus track it's that good. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 09:22)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,209) by Bill from the UK Yes, I remember Melonie not being on the backgrounds for Honey because she felt the lyrics were too suggestive. She's a devout Christian and as I understood it, Mariah kept her off any tracks that might have sailed a bit close to the wind with the lyrical content. (Friday 18 August 2023; 11:53) this is a reply to message 103,206

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,206) by Randy from USA Yea, I do think they were awesome. But Kelly took some subtle digs about her vocal deterioration that I agreed with but didn't think was classy. And Melonie made a snide remark during an interview that "when I was there it wasn't no songs about touch my body", which I also didn't appreciate. Touch My Body to me is a comedy. A toned down version of WAP. It's meant for you to have fun to, not to take literally. Who really thinks MC wants anyone to touch her body? However, let me be clear. I feel like Trey and Mary Ann are talented but sycophants. They don't care about helping her with her voice or technique. They just say yes, diva and collect their checks. (Friday 18 August 2023; 00:42)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,203) by Bill from the UK I don't feel like The Price Sisters and Melonie get their dues. During the mid-90s they were astonishingly good. I was listening to Merry Christmas (I know, I know, it's August), and I honestly believe they make the album what it is. Their backgrounds on O Holy Night, Jesus Oh What a Wonderful Child, Born On This Day, Joy to the World, Silent Night and of course AIWFCIY are phenomenal. Especially AIWFCIY. I'm sorry but that song would not be what it is without their stellar contribution. Then you have their vocals on Anytime You Need a Friend, Dreamlover, Everything Fades Away, Without You, the list goes on. Not to mention the remixes and how their vocal arrangements lift them to complete new heights. What a loss they were. We love Maryann but she's not a patch on those girls. (Thursday 17 August 2023; 21:43)

Perfection (103,183) by Bill from the UK Randy's Theme hahaha. I also wish There For Me got a spot on the record, as well as I Lose Control from the debut album. Narada Michael Walden has the master but won't release it until Mariah gives the green light. I'm like, please Mariah. Please. I need every note you ever uttered from 1990 in my life. Here We Go Around Again was a dream come true, I cried when I first heard it. (Monday 14 August 2023; 22:08) this is a reply to message 103,181

Perfection (103,181) by Edward from USA I agree, but Mariah AI "Last Chance" is different. Most Mariah's AI content doesn't sound like her because they need a base voice and then replaces it with her voice. The problem is that AI will still use the base voice style, enunciation,, diction and accent. "Last Chance" was written and produced by Mariah, the whistles at the beginning were originally sung by her. On top of that, the base voice is singing it as Mariah would, so when the voices are switched, it works perfectly. I haven't been impressed with any other Mariah AI covers, but "Last Chance" is perfect for me. I dropped "Closed My Eyes" and "Save the Horrible Day" from "The Rarities" and inserted "Last Chance", "Help Me Make It", "Randy's Theme" and Almost Home", in chronological order of course. Now "The Rarities" is just perfect. (Monday 14 August 2023; 17:15)

Subtle Invitation (103,171) by Bill from the UK On Subtle Invitation, and likely the others you mentioned, her voice is pitched up for the final version. There was an original pitch version of Subtle Invitation floating around a few years back but I don't think it's about anymore, probably got removed. Personally I thought the lower, natural tone sounded better, but who am I? (Saturday 12 August 2023; 13:22) this is a reply to message 103,167

Subtle Invitation (103,167) by Robert-Anthony from United States The way MC sings on this song has never been talked about before. It's not her head voice nor is it her whisper voice. She does the same type of singing on GTFO and There Goes My Heart Again. Music majors help me out. Are all three sung in the same key? (Saturday 12 August 2023; 07:01)

Tommy or no career at all (103,147) by Bill from the UK Oh and Why You Mad. How could I forget that monstrosity? (Monday 7 August 2023; 20:35) this is a reply to message 103,146

Tommy or no career at all (103,146) by Bill from the UK Having applied some further thought to this, we'd also live in a world without Crapfinity, Did I Do That, Boy, and Infamous. So I guess it would all balance out. (Monday 7 August 2023; 19:49)

Tommy or no career at all (103,146) by Bill from the UK Having applied some further thought to this, we'd also live in a world without Crapfinity, Did I Do That, Boy, and Infamous. So I guess it would all balance out. (Monday 7 August 2023; 19:49) this is a reply to message 103,138

Tommy or no career at all (103,138) by Bill from the UK I think the Mariah we got in those early days would have been different. Warners were interested in her at the same point, but didn't want her to write her own material. It was Tommy allowing her to continue as a songwriter that swayed it. To think we could be living in a world without Vision of Love, Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I Want for Christmas Is You. Scary. (Sunday 6 August 2023; 11:37)

Head Over Heels (103,143) by Bill from the UK A great AI Mariah singing "Head Over Heels" by Allure. I'd love to hear Mariah's original demo but this is a good representation of what it may have sounded like. (Sunday 6 August 2023; 22:46)

Tommy or no career at all (103,138) by Bill from the UK I think the Mariah we got in those early days would have been different. Warners were interested in her at the same point, but didn't want her to write her own material. It was Tommy allowing her to continue as a songwriter that swayed it. To think we could be living in a world without Vision of Love, Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I Want for Christmas Is You. Scary. (Sunday 6 August 2023; 11:37) this is a reply to message 103,137

Tommy or no career at all (103,137) by Robert-Anthony from United States I often wonder why did it take Tommy to discover MC. She had this beautiful voice in high school and the help of her brother Morgan after high school. Could it be that if Tommy had never been handed her demo tape, that we probably would have never had a Mariah Carey? The world didn't need another Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin? MC sounded and emulated the both of them at the beginning of her career. It wasn't until her voice started to change in 1997 that we got a very different sounding Mariah and her musical style evolved into what it is today. I think Potrait gave us the full circle Mariah Carey who looked back at her career in a song. Just me thinking that God is not done with MC yet. This woman has bounced back so many times and caught the world's attention again. (Saturday 5 August 2023; 20:54)

Albums (103,122) by Bill from the UK Well Mariah argued her way out of Sony's 10-album deal early. They said albums like Unplugged and #1's didn't count, but she countered as Unplugged charted in the albums chart, as #1's contained new material and new singles. Then they agreed to part with Greatest Hits being the 10th album. Same might be said for the Epic contract. Caution, #1 to Infinity and that All I Want for Christmas Is You compilation for the book were all released through Epic. That makes three of the same logic is applied. Time will tell. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 20:04) this is a reply to message 103,120

Albums (103,120) by Tevin from USA I believe someone on here mentioned that Mariah still has one or two more albums to fulfill with her current contract. I'm no lawyer, but if her voice isn't there to complete said tasks, what happens then? I wonder if she can release compilation type albums like MC Butterfly Lounge or Remixes 2 or Rarities 2. Also has Mariah done Twitter Spaces in a while? (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 17:08)

Mariah's version (103,106) by Bill from the UK Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43) this is a reply to message 103,104

Mariah's version (103,104) by Edward from USA When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53)

Mariah's version (103,101) by Bill from the UK The monstrosity that appeared on Apple's Magical Christmas. Although 2008 at the Grammy's was also awful, how I wish she'd be able to sing like that now. Even though it later transpired it was a re-recorded version she, of course, lipped to. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 21:29) this is a reply to message 103,097

Mariah's version (103,097) by Robert-Anthony from United States Are you referring to the Apple TV Plus or the Grammys Nomination performance remake? Either way, neither one compares to the flawless original. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 02:12)

Mariah's version (103,095) by Bill from the UK I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. (Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47) this is a reply to message 103,092

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02)

Article: How Mariah's "Dreamlover" changed dance remixes (103,089) by Bill from the UK "But Mariah, she loved and cared about club land. She cared about our culture. I have so many different versions of 'Dreamlover' that nobody's ever heard." (Foams at the mouth.) (Friday 28 July 2023; 06:24)

You messing with Daydream? (103,058) by Bill from the UK How did you know I attended the London stop of the Daydream tour? I've never mentioned it before lol. But seriously what a night that was. What a night. (Saturday 22 July 2023; 08:23) this is a reply to message 103,055

You messing with Daydream? (103,055) by Terna from Nigeria Yet she pays it absolute dust and only acknowledges ABMB. Just throw that whole record and era away and put in a year's vacation for her to rest her voice, with no world tour and especially that date you attended (hehe) and maybe Mariah would still have a little semblance of voice left. That Daydream era and world tour ruined her voice. (Friday 21 July 2023; 22:37)

You messing with Daydream? (103,047) by Bill from the UK I never thought I'd see the day where Daydream gets slammed on this board. Wow. It's honestly perfect from start to finish. (Friday 21 July 2023; 13:27) this is a reply to message 103,043

You messing with Daydream? (103,043) by Stacey from USA It's a good thing we aren't face to face, lol. I'd have to take the necessary steps to defend Daydream. Randy, I know exactly the version you are talking about. That's my favorite version of Fantasy too. I absolutely love every song on that album. Looking In is my life's theme song. From the amazing bridge to I Am Free to the sultry layering of vocals on Melt Away, Daydream just oozes perfection. The album includes the emotion that maybe was missing on MB for some. Now back away slowly from Daydream and no one gets hurt. (Friday 21 July 2023; 05:12)

Time for lists lol (103,024) by Bill from the UK Randy you know the word "list" summons me from my 90s bubble. This is from a US perspective seeing as she's only had 3 #1's in the UK. 10. Never Too Far 9. Loverboy 8. I Know What You Want 7. I Want to Know What Love Is 6. Butterfly 5. Make It Happen 4. Can't Let Go 3. Breakdown 2. Anytime You Need a Friend 1. Without You (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 21:43) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Emotionally stiff (102,995) by Bill from the UK "I should've said I love you, why didn't I just tell you?" Heartbreaking words, I lost someone dear to me and wish I had told them how I felt. This hits me every time. (Tuesday 11 July 2023; 09:12) this is a reply to message 102,990

Emotionally stiff (102,990) by Edward from USA I think "Never Forget You", "Anytime You Need a Friend", "Everything Fades Away" and "Without You" are very emotional. Mariah's voice on "Never Forget You" is makes me feel her pain, it's like something is piercing her soul, specially during the climax. And let's not talk about "Daydream", those journalists simply didn't like her, that's all. (Monday 10 July 2023; 14:45)

Mariah's a songwriter? (102,928) by Bill from the UK This is news to me too. I'm surprised she's not been inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. (Saturday 24 June 2023; 10:49) this is a reply to message 102,927

Mariah's a songwriter? (102,927) by Randy from USA I had no idea. I just thought she stood on stage in a black gown and sang Hero one dimensionally. I thought because she's a terrible piano player and doesn't play guitar that there was no way she could write songs. I've seen every interview she's ever done and she's never mentioned it. I was under the impression that MC and Mimi wrote most of her songs. I thought Casio wrote All I Want For Christmas is You. I thought Gloria Estefan wrote Hero. I thought Eminem wrote Clown. I thought those scribbling noises on Faded were mice scurrying across the floor. I thought she was just drawing stick figures in her journal during the Can't Take That Away video. I thought that section of her writing Never Too Far in Glitter was just acting part of the script. My Butterfly can now fly over the Rainbow abandonedly. I agree Kelly, Mariah is not recognized as a songwriter. (Friday 23 June 2023; 21:24)

Bebe Rexha phone through (102,921) by Bill from the UK Ah yes. Back in those days when people had attention spans lol. (Tuesday 20 June 2023; 20:05) this is a reply to message 102,920

Bebe Rexha phone through (102,920) by MusicfanJ from Germany Really? I never heard of this "trend". It's so stupid to throw a phone. Another reason why I prefer to watch a concert during the 90ies. The audience were normal people who enjoyed the artist to the fullest. (Tuesday 20 June 2023; 18:23)

MB30 (102,916) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. Ultimately Mariah wrote all those songs, and she speaks fondly of them in interviews. I don't think she dislikes the music, probably more the personal life at the time. But even then, the song "Now That I Know" says all that needs to be said about how Mariah felt about entering into marriage with Tommy. "By your side I can conquer the world." And conquer it she did. (Monday 19 June 2023; 18:36) this is a reply to message 102,913

MB30 (102,913) by Robert-Anthony from United States Maybe I can listen to just one song occasionally. That song is NFY. I called Music Box Tommy's control album. He was so disappointed with the heavy R&B influence and low sales of Emotions that Tommy mandated a more pop influence like MC's debut. Music Box's album cover pose is less than flattering too and one heck of a boring album cover. It reminds me of what Tommy was trying to do to suffocate MC by having her pose like young opera singer at a New York concert hall full of middle-aged married couples. MB is just one boring album from start to finish. Thank God two years later, MC gave us the beautiful Daydream. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 17:52)

MB30 (102,911) by Bill from the UK Yes, the high notes became quite airy from 1993 onwards. They lost that precision they had in the early days. Her voice has progressively deteriorated with every album since the debut, she's never sounded as magical as on that record. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 11:58) this is a reply to message 102,909

MB30 (102,909) by TJ from Norway I agree. I remember that I was a little bit disappointed of her high notes in 93. I love her version of [Emotions] on the [Proctors] performance, but it was not the same as her debut album. Her voice has been changing since 1990. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 03:42)

MB30 (102,898) by Bill from the UK 5 and 9. (Friday 16 June 2023; 16:23) this is a reply to message 102,897

MB30 (102,897) by TJ from Norway I love that album, too. Not a big fan of the two uptempos (track number 5 and 8?), but the rest is just perfect. I've been driving to work singing "Hero" every day for a month now, trying to face another day ( kidding). I love my work. (Friday 16 June 2023; 15:58)

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