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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: A message for B (83,214) (83,220) by Bill from the UK I have watched the Beacon Theatre performances and, like all her live performances of the last 10 years, there is more lipping than actual singing. The Fallon performance was okay, but it wasn't exactly If It's Over at the Grammy's or Hero at London on the Daydream tour. I don't believe she has stage fright. She mentioned she suffered from nerves when she started out, which is understandable. But come on, she's done more performances on stage than I've had hot dinners. I wouldn't say she slayed Can't Let Go either. She got through it, with a backing track kicking in at the end. I've not seen her deliver a decent 100% live performance since 1996. None of us have. She needs to simply stop deceiving all of her fans and either admit the truth of the matter, or sing, write and record within the one octave she has now. The ruination of her voice was all her own doing so she needs to show us the respect and love we show her and be honest with us all. (Sunday 22 July 2018; 19:22)

Re: A message for B (83,200) (83,206) by Bill from the UK Not necessarily. Mariah can still be a singer, but one with integrity. There was nothing wrong with the song Unforgettable. In fact, it's the best thing she's done for years. That song stayed within the range she has now and wasn't falsified, and was also current and a completely new style. It was so refreshing. And if her voice is gone gone, then maybe it's time she hung up the chaise lounge and concentrated on having what I'm sure would be a very, very successful end career as a songwriter and producer. (Saturday 21 July 2018; 06:43)

Re: Walter A. (83,197) (83,198) by Bill from the UK You mean this? (Friday 20 July 2018; 23:53)

Re: Walter A. (83,188) (83,196) by Bill from the UK There's no evidence anywhere that Walter and Mariah fell out over the direction Butterfly was taking and that Walter and Tommy wanted a sequel (or "squeal") to Daydream. Tommy was the Executive Producer of the record. If he wanted Daydream 2, he would have got it. Walter's contribution to the album was very much in the same gear he's been driving in since he came on the scene. Walter revealed that My All and Whenever You Call were, to his standard at least, unfinished as they stopped working together during the album's creation. Mariah thought the ballads sounded better being sparse and without Walter's "schmaltz". The reason they fell out, which Mariah herself has said, was because during the separation he sided with Tommy. That, and nothing more. (Friday 20 July 2018; 21:01)

A message for B (83,163) by Bill from the UK B, I've always enjoyed your posts and I know you've always got Mariah's back which is always admirable. But to answer some of your post, yes you're right that plenty of singers lip sync and it is accepted as somewhat of an industry norm, rightly or wrongly. But Celine and Beyoncé can carry a tune in between the lip syncing. I've yet to find any evidence of Mariah doing that in recent years. You say she preserves her voice for the ballads but these are lipped as much as the uptempos, more so when it comes to Hero, My All, Without You, I Still Believe and others. Please direct me to the "incredible live vocals" before and after I Still Believe. I ask sincerely as I haven't seen any and I am genuinely interested and will happily be proved wrong. You're right also that Mariah didn't sing in church or the club circuit like others have, but B, she's had 25 years to get over her stage fright. If she is physically and vocally paralysed when on stage, she shouldn't put herself through that. No one minds that Barbra Streisand or Kate Bush have rarely toured over their long careers. We won't mind if Mariah scales back hers either. She looked very comfortable and confident on the Unplugged, Thanksgiving, and MSG performances, and completely commanded the stage during the Daydream tour. I think we all accept voices change over time. For example, Joni Mitchell's once sweet falsetto is now a husky alto. But she changed her songs and singing style to accommodate the change. If Mariah can take that huge, massive step of revealing her bipolar disorder and be as loved, accepted, and respected as she was beforehand, I guarantee the same will happen if she came clean about how she has lost her voice. There would be no shame from us, simply acceptance and gratitude to her for bringing great music into our lives for so many years. It's the denial, and the extremes she goes to in order to cover this up and mask it, all at the expense of those fans who have loved, adored, and supported her, that will never sit right with me. With respect B. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 22:04)

Re: Let's play a game (83,128) (83,132) by Bill from the UK Actually Vision of Love had its key lowered way back in 1996 for the Daydream Tour and MSG special. She should sing it the "Unplugged" way, where it's stripped down to its skeleton and sung lightly and gently, with acoustic instrumentation, rather than trying to replicate the studio version which, as you rightly say, is three and a half minutes, five octaves, and a ten second note too much these days. (Saturday 14 July 2018; 23:11)

Re: JD (83,127) (83,130) by Bill from the UK Lol, it’s all they’ve been capable of since 2008 God bless em. (Saturday 14 July 2018; 22:16)

Re: Let's play a game (83,121) (83,126) by Bill from the UK Ha. I believe the only song that is 100% live these days is either Vision of Love (though I have my suspicions) or I'll Be There. She literally mimes everything else. Amazing how Trey's voice hasn't aged at all. Agreed about the ear piece being theatrics to mask the pre-record kicking in. The same with the tiresome "finger in the ear for pitching" stunt she pulls for every high note. Getting old. She never had to do that all the time back in the beginning (when, you know, it was live). If she did it was for a second to genuinely gauge the pitch and then she'd carry on the note. What's funny is every Tom, Dick and Harry on YouTube who reckons they can whistle (scream in tune, mostly) mimics the finger in the ear nonsense. (Saturday 14 July 2018; 16:52)

Re: JD (83,124) (83,125) by Bill from the UK Probably doing some more pre-records for her upcoming shows rather than a new album lol. (Saturday 14 July 2018; 16:44)

Re: Emotionless (83,097) (83,106) by Bill from the UK Hmmmm. If she had actually re-sung her part for the song then maybe you could dress it up as "Drake feat Mariah", but she didn't and it is nothing more than a sample. We didn't have Mariah feat. Tom Tom Club, Mariah feat. Treacherous 3, Mariah feat. Stacey Lattishaw etc. and she sampled those songs so heavily she was simply singing her melody over the original backing track. (Thursday 12 July 2018; 20:37)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,081) (83,093) by Bill from the UK You're so right. The thing is, you can, in a way, overlook a pre-record if she genuinely went back into the studio in order to use current vocals for it. A part of me would say, well, at least she put some effort into the damn thing and I get it, she has nodules, her ears have nodules, the band have nodules, everybody has effing nodules. I swear, if I see the word "nodules" one more time in the YouTube comments, I will scream. And yes, she's preserving her voice. She's been preserving it since 1997. It ain't gonna get any more preserved girl. Plus the amount she's pickled it with alcohol it should theoretically be in pristine condition. But, to stand there and mime (lip sync is even too good a term to use at this point) to the album version is an absolute insult to everybody who has paid money to go and see her. Surely you are within your rights for a refund due to the fact she has literally sang 10% of the concert live. And that 10% was atrocious, flat, unpleasant to the ear, and out of tune. What a shambles. What an absolute shambles. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 20:06)

Glitter 2 (83,072) by Bill from the UK Like if you actually want to see Glitter 2: The Glit Hits the Fan. (Tuesday 10 July 2018; 19:24)

Re: Who's a singer? (83,068) (83,071) by Bill from the UK This makes no sense. How could she sing the "you'll find the way" climax of Hero live flawlessly from 1993-1996, but then lip it ever since? I don't talk about this on the forum but I worked as a singer for 10 years and what you're saying is nonsense. Plenty of singers have soft voices and don't need to sing differently when on stage. That is what a microphone is for. (Tuesday 10 July 2018; 19:22)

Re: Mariah's voice (83,038) (83,042) by Bill from the UK We're at the point of no return now, so I say have the surgery. It can't get any worse. What is she holding on to? Her one remaining octave? (Monday 9 July 2018; 12:13)

Re: Lip sync fail (83,010) (83,022) by Bill from the UK Haha. Yeh it was like "one second honey mama needs to lip sync". And then Roc pretty much summed up the crowd's thoughts with his suicide attempt at the end. (Sunday 8 July 2018; 12:43)

Re: Something is in the works (82,993) (82,997) by Bill from the UK It was lipped. (Saturday 7 July 2018; 08:22)

Re: Vegas (82,982) (82,983) by Bill from the UK I'm so glad the dust got blown off Can't Let Go as it really is a wonderful song. She hasn't sung that live properly since the initial promotion of the song back in the early 90s. Of course vocally it was nowhere near the amazing level of times gone by, but it also wasn't the car crash I was expecting it to be. (Friday 6 July 2018; 10:41)

Re: Emotionless (82,941) (82,951) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. Not sure what I make of it. I've only given it the one listen but it seems a bit of a mess to me. But then, who am I? (Friday 29 June 2018; 21:35)

Re: Fourth of July/Underneath the Stars Mash Up (82,931) (82,936) by Bill from the UK That is true lol. I don't even go near Boy and Why You Mad and Infamous and Crapfinity and I Don't and Did I Do That and Can't Say No and Triumphant and The Star and Bet'cha Gon' Know feat R Kelly. (Thursday 28 June 2018; 21:08)

Re: Fourth of July/Underneath the Stars Mash Up (82,921) (82,927) by Bill from the UK Hahah. I've never known a Mariah fan before who dislikes every song she's ever recorded. (Wednesday 27 June 2018; 20:14)

Re: Triumphant (82,917) (82,918) by Bill from the UK I heard a rumour that Mariah did backing vocals on that track. (Wednesday 27 June 2018; 10:03)

Fourth of July/Underneath the Stars Mash Up (82,914) by Bill from the UK Love this. (Tuesday 26 June 2018; 22:17)

Re: Me. I Am Mariah (interview/special) (82,889) (82,894) by Bill from the UK Just how many colds can two little kids get? (Sunday 24 June 2018; 14:32)

Re: Greatest Mariah performance ever (?) (82,830) (82,833) by Bill from the UK Yes Joy to the World was brilliant. Also, If It's Over at the Grammys is up there, and personally the London leg of the Daydream tour is the best ever, as I was there and it is such a great memory for me. (Saturday 16 June 2018; 18:09)

Re: Selling Mariah tickets Blackpool (82,808) (82,812) by Bill from the UK We all love Jade. (Thursday 14 June 2018; 21:15)

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