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About Jamie from UK: Mariah fan since 1990, favourite album is Music Box, Favourite song is Can't Let Go.

Tommy book (108,688) by Jamie from UK
So I've now finished the book, the last part of the Mariah section finished with him talking about how they grew even further apart after her decisions. He particularly blames the Grammys, he said that if she'd won for the [Daydream] era it could have maybe saved them a bit longer by putting a band aid over the cracks. He thinks the reason she didn't win anything for [Daydream] was because the powers that be were keeping her in check because she was basically taking over the music industry. He says people in her entourage started spinning stories that she was locked in with security guards. Which is what we hear from Mariah herself, he says the truth is that while he was home sleeping after long working days, she was out at clubs and not returning until daybreak and this was when his anxieties and mistrust began to manifest. He says he can understand how overwhelming everything must have been for Mariah coming from a place of no rules or regulations growing up. People making decisions, suggesting and telling her what to do could have been overwhelming and made her feel like she's lost control of her life. He apologizes saying if it seemed like I was controlling let me apologize again. He admits he was obsessive, but he also admits that was also part of the reason for her success. If [you'rr] not controlling things well in that particular job then [you're] not gonna hold that position for long, he says the problem was him being the chairman of Sony and also her husband at the same time. He says things got more tense with them and she became more resentful that in the end he wrote Mariah a little note from lyrics by Elton John. It read: "Butterflies are free to fly. Fly away." Weeks later they were separated. I have really enjoyed reading this book, it has drawn me back to my memories of Mariah from when I was younger. Whilst we all evolve I miss those early days. It's crazy to think I was 12 years old when Mariah first came out. I was 47 yesterday it's been 35 years of me loving Mariah. At times I've expressed my views and disappoints at times but hopefully you can understand why, when she's been part of my life for so long. So Mariah if you're reading this, I love you and thank you for bringing me so much joy. Next time I'm in NYC with work let's hook up. I can all but dream.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 21:55)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,680) by Jamie from UK
She scrapped them because she's working with Walter again.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:47)
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Tommy book (108,672) by Jamie from UK
So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 17:46)
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Tommy book (108,671) by Jamie from UK
So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 05:31)
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Tommy book (108,667) by Jamie from UK
I've just started reading Tommy Mottola's book from the point he met Mariah. Still got some to go but I was loving the part where he went down to the woodshop after Mariah said come down and meet Ben Marguiles. He says when he got there he was faced with Mariah singing. He said she was good on the demo but to hear her sing there in the woodshop studio was incredible and her voice was so powerful. It gave me goose bumps imagine witnessing that. He said it was then that he noticed her flirting with him and he had to speak to his therapist about her as he felt he was falling in love with her. I can't wait to read some more tonight.
(Saturday 3 May 2025; 20:36)
Friday feeling (108,599) by Jamie from UK
Haha just saw this now. You know me too well lol.
(Monday 21 April 2025; 15:31)
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Friday feeling (108,589) by Jamie from UK
I'm sat here chilling listening to my Mariah and Walter playlist. [Just To Hold You] once again came on in Dolby Atmos. What a classic, it's one of my favourites and sounded as good today as it did with my 15 year old ears. Made my heart feel warm and happy.
(Friday 18 April 2025; 17:52)
MiMi20 CD (108,563) by Jamie from UK
Maybe the sales from Music box virtual CD weren't great so they decided not to make them for these anniversaries.
(Saturday 12 April 2025; 20:48)
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Barbra (108,557) by Jamie from UK
Is Mariah still doing the song with Barbara [sic] Streisand do we know? It all seems to have gone quiet.
(Saturday 12 April 2025; 11:01)
TEOM 20 (108,551) by Jamie from UK
I clinked the link to preorder the album but not showing in UK iTunes only on Apple Music. But the remix is there separately.
(Friday 11 April 2025; 14:01)
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Mariah signs with Universal? (108,529) by Jamie from UK
I'd still like some kind of Daydream 30 reissue as it would be a shame not too. I'm sure something could be arranged
(Monday 7 April 2025; 10:05)
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New thing coming (108,507) by Jamie from UK
What songs were discarded? Not heard this?
(Thursday 3 April 2025; 23:52)
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Article: Brother accuses Mariah of orchestrating YouTube video (108,468) by Jamie from UK
All this drama from Morgan and the late Alison. Surely it would have just been easier to stay friends with Mariah, I'm sure she wouldn't have seen them out of pocket. But no they wanted more and became greedy. Now they won't get a single penny from her. Must be awful when your own family sees you as a paycheque. Had they not gone down the path they have I'm sure they would have led a comfortable life courtesy of Mariah, but people always want more and more.
(Thursday 27 March 2025; 17:43)
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Happy birthday (108,463) by Jamie from UK
Happy birthday Mariah Carey. I hope your day is as special as you are.
(Thursday 27 March 2025; 10:50)
Emancipation & Daydream (108,434) by Jamie from UK
Haha I'm old too but Music Box trumps everything for me anyway. I just love it so much. Lots of good memories from that time too.
(Tuesday 25 March 2025; 18:57)
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Mariah birthday month (108,433) by Jamie from UK
Ok it's approaching Mariah's birthday, or anniversary as she likes to call it. I've looked through her discography to see which singles whether physical, digital or just radio got a March release date. There wasn't many.
I Don't Wanna Cry, March 19th 1991
The Roof (Back In Time), March 16th 1998 (UK)
We Belong Together, March 15th 2005
Fly Like A Bird, March 13th 2006
A No No, March 4th 2019
Big Energy Remix, March 28th 2022
Out of all her March releases, which is your number one favourite? Mine is The Roof (Back In Time).
(Tuesday 25 March 2025; 18:45)
Emancipation & Daydream (108,414) by Jamie from UK
Ok while it's the 20th Anniversary of Mimi and 30th Anniversary of Daydream. Choose your two favourite songs from each album. Mine are:
We Belong Together/Get Your Number
Fantasy/Looking In
I'm interested to hear people's choices and thought I'd bring some fun to the board.
(Monday 24 March 2025; 18:14)
Ribbon (108,413) by Jamie from UK
I love Ribbon. Radio killer.
(Monday 24 March 2025; 13:48)
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Just makin' the most of life (108,405) by Jamie from UK
I'm under no illusions that she will never be as she was. Being nostalgic doesn't mean you're not aware of the present. My concern is that she's now at a point where she's even far removed from that person than she has ever been, and not even musically. I loved Caution, I even loved I Don't, obviously not the video though lol. I'm concerned and rightly so that something isn't right with her right now. Whether it's medical or something else, who knows, but from an outsiders point of view something is off. My criticism only comes from a place of caring about Mariah, I've remained loyal throughout the years, and have enjoyed all her music. My point is that for the general buying public she became to far removed from the Mariah they fell in love with, I'm personally as a fan not saying that her new music isn't good, she's got some amazing tracks later on in her career. But my main concern is Mariah herself at the moment.
(Sunday 23 March 2025; 07:45)
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Just makin' the most of life (108,399) by Jamie from UK
The reason she is still relevant and receiving icon awards is because of her early career, those days influenced everything and everyone. If none of that had happened and she came out as she is now I'm afraid she wouldn't be getting and awards. We're nostalgic because she was amazing then, we lived through it and we miss it. None of us are saying she isn't relevant anymore as a person, but music career wise unfortunately no is buying her new stuff. Even her Christmas mania is based on an early period of her career, and let me guess when that was, oh yes its the time we're all nostalgic about. Mariah is a legend and she's reached icon status but it's not for her current music career, unfortunately it's her past.
(Saturday 22 March 2025; 09:36)
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Accountability, kryptonite to Yass Queens (108,380) by Jamie from UK
This is perfectly put. I still haven't got over how she dressed in the [Heartbreaker] remix video. Those types of choices are what have cheapened her over the years and lost her wider fanbase. [You're] allowed to do music you like but when you deviate too far from your core fanbase or appeal then [you're] in trouble. Even Madonna the queen of reinvention faced backlash especially during the Erotica era and Madonna portrayed an edgy and sexy approach from the start. Mariah was portrayed as a contemporary pop artist, and she completely removed herself from that base and she lost a huge fanbase. I like RnB Mariah, I like she dipped her toe in that side of things, she appeared cool and edgy whilst remaining composed and still catering to her core fanbase. Then I feel she embraced or took it too far for the general public to relate too. She was no longer the person they thought she was, and only real loyal fans like us have stuck with her, but even we question her choices. It's like she was captured by aliens at the end of the 90's and returned to earth as a completely different person. Hey we all change to a degree but I feel even as a life long fan, I have difficulty recognising how we got from Mariah to MC I watch early videos etc and from 1999 onwards and I still can't get my head around how completely different she is personality wise. Come back Mariah, it's time.
(Thursday 20 March 2025; 00:01)
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I don't Heart (108,370) by Jamie from UK
I totally agree and something isn't right with her. The only thing that night gave me was the realisation how good Mariah was, those two singers came no where close to the we way she sang those songs.
Maybe [you're] right, her realisation of how good she was is maybe getting to her and she knows it's over. Maybe that's the whole problem.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 01:44)
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I am trying (108,366) by Jamie from UK
I agree I thought here we go again with the same lines. I liked the homage to Pat though that was cute. I just think she's heavily medicated and has some cognitive decline. And yes I agree that all this yas queen to her persona doesn't help she was once greater that all that. Now it's just a gimmick, she's so much better than a gimmick.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 21:56)
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Always Be My Nodules (108,350) by Jamie from UK
I just watched her video explaining. I think it's great she's being honest like some others that her vocals haven't been great and the reasons why. And that she's gonna put the work in for it to get better. I've always liked Monica she's got some great songs. A lot can be said for being honest and addressing any issues. In a world filled with fake news, dishonesty and uncertainty, honesty goes a long way and something people want. It would be nice for Mariah to do the same. Address the voice and be honest, has it just declined, is it due to health issues, medication or has she also had surgery and it made things worse. I don't for one minute think she would do this but I don't think she can also carry on this façade of miming for much longer either. I would love to have seen a younger Mariah singing at Sandringham Palace that would have been amazing. Imagine the composed Mariah of the Music Box or the Daydream era performing live in such a majestic setting. That's why I won't be going, which is sad but I've made peace with it and so grateful I saw her when I did.
(Sunday 16 March 2025; 10:50)
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Precious (108,316) by Jamie from UK
Glitter was a great idea, it just didn't pan out that way in reality. Whether the songs were written for her or not, they were absolutely some of the best of Whitney's career. I love the [Glitter] album, some of Mariah's best vocal performances are on it, but as a whole it isn't as superior as The Bodyguard. That film was one of the biggest films and soundtracks of the 1990's. The public reaction to it and the music was and still is unparalleled. Kevin and Whitney had a great bond, he even spoke at her funeral.

And when was Mariah rejected in the 1990's? From what I remember and I was there she was adored in the 1990's, it was only when she began to act that things started falling apart for her, yes there was other contributing factors, but she pushed herself into a project that unfortunately was a none starter.
(Thursday 6 March 2025; 08:58)
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