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Music Box (103,563) by Andrew from the UK What's the general consensus here? Did record companies "add" extra bonus tracks to UK editions in the 90s to warrant no exchange rate adjustment - or did they simply remove a track for the US to encourage American citizens to purchase two copies? (Sunday 24 September 2023; 01:56) this is a reply to message 103,558

Music Box (103,558) by Jamie from UK Yes it was put on the same day as MB30 would be interested too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 15:49)

Fandom base (103,554) by Andrew from the UK Do yourself a favour: allow your obsession with group identities to take a back seat and I believe your sensitivity towards the conflict of your own sexuality and race will, also. Set yourself free. It's really not that hard. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:15) this is a reply to message 103,550

Fandom base (103,550) by Geronimo from USA The question about straight male fans is an interesting one. The question is not essentially about what MC fans are doing with their genitalia, but, in part, how MC's "brand significance" to gay/queer consumers impacts her straight male fans who love her today like Tupac loved her in the 90s. There is an impact whether or not anyone thinks there should be an impact. Thus, the conversation elicits interest. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:36)

#Beautiful (103,553) by Andrew from the UK On the way home today I was listening to music from around this era - including #Beautiful, The Art of Letting Go and Triumphant. I am getting a new rekindling for this era. And especially Triumphant. I used to quite dislike it. It's really fresh sounding still. Really awesome to listen to. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:03) this is a reply to message 103,551

#Beautiful (103,551) by jaker20 from US There's a smash hit hidden somewhere in this song. It has 5 remixes but they landed in the wrong hands who were not inspired it. This David Guetta convo has me thinking. The song has a classic beat and someone like him would do wonders with it. (Friday 22 September 2023; 20:55)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,552) by Andrew from the UK "Did the article really need to be summarized with an uninformed reference to M.E. Dyson? No." You are correct: it did not need to be. However, being a somewhat well-read and -informed individual, it struck me as an appropriate comparison to make. Thus: I wanted it to be. Were I uninformed I would, ostensibly, not have known of Dyson to make reference to him. That you do not argue that he is not a verbose twat is telling. I could, with much evidentiary support, prove that he is. But it would be missing the point. As you do - quite often. if I recall you correctly. If I am mistaken and you are new here, forgive me. As I grow older I try only to retain that which is important and founded in honesty, sincerity and humility. (I'll be 21 next week. I wear it well, I know.) "The winsome article was written clearly enough for literate people in the habit of reading about certain intersections of ethnic and queer identities in the 20th and 21st centuries." If you "habitually" read such texts it would be interesting to hear you argue against them. Absolutism is vulgar and the adherence to an over-arching and unspeakably arrogant social science such as queer theory is just that. You may be a gay person of colour - on that, I would bet the farm. And you may, or clearly do, subscribe to a narrative defended verbosely by a group of (alleged) intellectuals and commentators that support your emotional wellbeing. But, Big-G, the facts are simple: Mariah's songs are about being bi-racial, for the most part. That persons with other immutable characteristic can identify with them is great. I have often advocated for universality of lyrics in Mariah's songs versus Kitchen-Window lyrics. So Outside and other such songs are no less important to me than to you and of not you can be assured. But let us not redress things in hindsight and rewrite the narrative to suit a preferred outcome. This reminds me of the GLAAD award I remember writing about here quite some time ago. Mariah was not a vocal anti-homophobia advocate. She was so quiet on the subject that I think it took everybody by surprise that she won an award for it. Is Mariah a "gay icon"? Well, yes... if being one is determined by being popular with gay people. Has she fought vociferously for gay-rights and equality-legislation? Has she hell. Did she write some songs gay people liked that helped them with the feeling of ostracisation? Yup. But to dress it up in pseudo-intellectual speak is insulting. You can tie a bow around a turd, honey. You can even polish it. But it is what it is. It's a turd. Like that article. And like your pitiful and pointless response. And, also, like your heralding of "M.E. Dyson" (ironic that the initials were pretentiously added by you to really wax that turd lyrical). You are ill-equipped. Read more. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:01) this is a reply to message 103,549

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,549) by Geronimo from USA Did the article really need to be summarized with an uninformed reference to M.E. Dyson? No. The winsome article was written clearly enough for literate people in the habit of reading about certain intersections of ethnic and queer identities in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:25)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,545) by Andrew from the UK What an absolute mess of an article. I thought Michael Dyson was the master of lumping a dozen clever sounding words together to sound intellectual whilst tinting the sentiment with post-modern intersectional politics and dusting with tropes conjured recently in the halls of academia. But this queer takes the win. Let me sum it up: Mariah wrote songs about feeling lonely and ostracised whilst young for having an immutable characteristic. Gay people at that age feel ostracised whilst young for having an immutable charactistic. Ergo: Mariah was important to gay people back then and so is loved by them still. What a pretentious queer. Further, I dare say my above use of the word "queer" above probably made most people here feel a little uncomfortable. But, hey, if the movement is saying it's a so-called reclaimed word and we just have to accept it, then I will call people who use that disgusting word to reference other people (for whom it was a painful pejorative) that exact word. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 02:38)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,542) by Andrew from the UK Smaller ones? After we she paid for those puppies? Get real, Eddie. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 14:35) this is a reply to message 103,541

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,541) by Edward from USA Mariah suffers from imposed torticollis since 2008. As for #dem-tits, that's the effect of the push-up bras. She should get smaller ones. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 13:57)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,540) by Andrew from the UK It is great to see Mariah looking thinner and healthier. Perhaps if she loses a bit more weight we will also see her head return to its normal angle on her neck. It is also great to see how much DemKids love DemKittens. And great that Mariah has finally started to put away DemTits. Gay or straight I think everyone can agree they've seen enough of them. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 09:26)

Fandom base (103,539) by Andrew from the UK What bearing does sexual orientation (or "where people put their penis") and intersectionality have on anything? Why does it matter where the males that like Mariah Carey's music put their penis? I have known gay people that do not like her music. I have known straight people that do. I have never felt the need to discuss Mariah Carey and where they put their penis in any conversation. In the same respect, if you have ever known people who star in musical theatre you will routinely find that round half of them are straight and constantly get targetted and belittled for their work - by people who think it appropriate to discuss their sexuality and the associations. Who should be the least offended in these circumstances? The straight persons for being singled out for liking something "not macho"? Or the gay person for hearing that the preference itself is not macho and therefore assigned only to gay people by third parties? I think both parties have an equal claim to outrage. In regards to this board, I could not care less where the men on it put their penises nor where the women and intersex persons on it do with their own genitalia. To paraphrase a Stonewall slogan: "Most people are straight - get over it." (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 08:02) this is a reply to message 103,529

Fandom base (103,529) by Victor from Costa Rica Mariah is a gay icon, and a role model for women. But, does Mariah have straight male fans? All the fans I know are gays or females. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:46)

MB30 - reflections (103,520) by Andrew from the UK Could you be specific? What was recorded - when, for what and used when? (Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:50) this is a reply to message 103,518

MB30 - reflections (103,518) by Bill from the UK The pre-records for Without You actually began in 1994 for the Christmas TOTP performance. Then again at MSG in 1895, the Tokyo Dome dates of the Daydream tour in 1996, and then from Butterfly tour onwards. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:22)

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,519) by Andrew from the UK Do not pity yourself: pity the blind and stupid for not noticing your greatest. You are as a part of space and time as any atom at any point in the stretch of the knowable Universe. Nothing - and nobody - takes precedence over you in any objective moral reasoning. No atoms are more or less entitled to existence than the billions of which you are made. You are the perfect version of you surrounded, merely, by imperfect interpretations of you. We are all made of stars. And we all shit. Dry your eyes, Bobby-A. Or I don't even know you. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:48) this is a reply to message 103,515

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,515) by Robert-Anthony from United States Randy, your post about Butterfly brought tears to my eyes. Your comments are spot on. I remember Butterfly and how every song that year in 1997 was my life. It was the joy of Honey to the alienation in Outside that spoke about how my mother was treating me because she had a gay son. I must stop typing now to the wipe the tears from eyes. Butterfly is the real magnum opus. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:06)

Butterfly (103,517) by Andrew from the UK Magnus Opus just means "Big Work", right? I think sometimes we confusingly think of it as the greatest? Perhaps I am splitting hairs. I offer that the greatest work must be Music Box for sheer popularity. The Seminal Work - that is to say, the work that affected all works after it - must surely be Daydream. I offer Butterfly up as the emminent work. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:36)

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,516) by Andrew from the UK Randy, I too celebrate turning 26 today but was not unwrapped in my father's basement until much later and unfortunately the evidence did not stand. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:24) this is a reply to message 103,514

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,514) by Randy from USA While everyone is celebrating Music Box and incorrectly calling Daydream MC's artistic zenith, I'd like to interject and celebrate the real magnum opus, Butterfly, which turns 26 today. On this day, 26 years ago I unwrapped the cellophane off of this CD in my fathers basement and popped it in the disc changer. I never before heard an album where every song is a single. Every verse reads like poetry. And every vocal is astounding. Rasp, falsetto, belting and whistles are all used here. My biggest issue with R&B music is artists always sing about romantic love or break ups. This Pop/R&B album includes songs about childhood pain and alienation. It is in one word stunning. Happy anniversary to Mariah's favorite. And the best album of all time. From any artist. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 00:50)

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,512) by Andrew from the UK (Saturday 16 September 2023; 15:04) this is a reply to message 103,509

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,509) by Robert-Anthony from United States Andrew is just messing you. I had to toughen up during MIAM era because he criticized my every post. Then I realized he just wanted my special guest star status. Lol. I am glad that Andrew is back because I am stronger and wiser now. Since he has been back, I grown to like him even more. So what I am saying is just smile and laugh about his posts on the board. He is really just a harmless sweet tiger. (Saturday 16 September 2023; 05:08)

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,505) by Andrew from the UK "Yes I do concur. I have thusly not kept silence on anything at all anywhere on any subject any time. But I have also thought for 14 days that Mariah was demonstrating said unspecified behaviour deviating from her normal abnormal self to the point of abnormality in that it was not normal. But I just decided to not mention this one thing ever. In all the things I say about Mariah - most of which, too, are completely without substantiation and me just guessing and throwing out random baseless opinions. But *this* I kept to myself." (Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:58) this is a reply to message 103,501

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,501) by Robert-Anthony from United States I noticed that two weeks ago, but didn't want to say anything. The weight loss was so sudden. I pray all is well. (Friday 15 September 2023; 23:05)

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,504) by Andrew from the UK "And is there anyone else who can vouch for this? Step forward and ye shall be heard?" "Yes, m'Lord. I can definitely say that Mariah was in and indeterminately determined mood so as to appear delayed. Usually she is perfectly perfect and never demonstrates a demonstration of demonstrable delay. But she definitely had delay. Of what type and in what way I could not say. If it has been determined, I could not demonstrate how. And would remonstrate if you were to ask." (Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:53) this is a reply to message 103,500

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,500) by Myles from CT, USA I have been thinking the same exact thing. She seems heavily medicated and delayed. She looks stunning though. (Friday 15 September 2023; 21:43)

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,503) by Andrew from the UK To add to the very detailed indictment, steps forward a witness: "Yes, I didst see Mariah at the scene of the crime. She was definitely in some unspecified videos of an indeterminate nature and under the influence of some drugs that I could neither see nor name." - "Would you characterise her behaviour as normal?" - "No. She's normally perfectly normal. But this time, she was abnormal and not the normal normal she normally is." (Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:49) this is a reply to message 103,499

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,499) by Edward from USA I also noticed that. She sounds and looks a little odd, but it is what it is, probably she was medicated. (Friday 15 September 2023; 20:12)

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,502) by Andrew from the UK So, if I may rephrase: "I am inferring that Mariah, in unspecified videos, was under the inflluence of drugs which I cannot see or name, leading to indeterminate behaviour, for which I have no evidence to present." Slow down there, Columbo. Don't crack the case too early, you won't make the end of the show. (Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:44) this is a reply to message 103,498

Something's going on behind the scenes (103,498) by Brandon from USA While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. (Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52)

All I Live For differences Rarities/Extended (103,497) by Andrew from the UK This video is perfect, thank you. (Friday 15 September 2023; 12:55) this is a reply to message 103,494

All I Live For differences Rarities/Extended (103,494) by 123 from USA Here is a video that points out the differences between the two versions. My theory is she found the Rarities version first and put that on Rarities. She found the extended version later and put that on MB30. A second theory is she found both but put the simpler version on Rarities and saved the extended for MB30 so she she had more to give us and help make the repurchase of an old album worth it. Not sure why some fans are complaining on why we got both and should have just got the extended. Honey was said to have 100 different vocal takes Puffy had to chose from. I wouldn't mind getting different Honey vocal takes on B30. I like both versions for different reasons. I prefer the verses from Rarities as she sings them much simpler and sticks to the melody more but I like the climax on the extended better. My version would be a blend of both. Th Rarities verses and the ending vocal climax of the extended. (Friday 15 September 2023; 02:01)

A story (103,495) by Andrew from the UK I once waited outside the Dorchester at around 3am with a friend and about 10 Mariah fans. Mariah had been filming and recording and someone we had met whilst following her in London knew she was due back. Eventually we would see her car pull up in the street and the dirty yellow light in the back illuminate a sleeping Mariah. The car was stopped not 10 meters away, facing us head on, and Mariah's people calmly took about 20 minutes to wake her and fix her hair and makeup in the car. And then she got out and walked straight over to us alone, in the middle of the road. I had simply thought she would go into the hotel to go to sleep. It was the middle of the night in December in London. It was very dark and very, very cold. But no. Mariah Carey slowly walked straight up to us and was standing right in front of me. I could have reached out and touched her - but it wasn't that kind of moment. It was far from it. Soon after we walked straight to Oxford Street to join the overnight queue to get wristbands in the morning - wristbands that would grant us entry to the queue later in the day to have CD's signed by Mariah, herself. After several hours I couldn't stand and had to give up and go home in the drizzle and grey morning light. I don't remember how I got home. I had actually felt quite unwell for a couple of days and had begun to rapidly decline. Exhausted, freezing and unwell I had passed out on my bed and woke up late in the evening. I was instantly screaming in pain as the slightest touch to or movement of my head felt like it was being hit with a brick. Since sleep made the pain go away, I wanted very desperately to go back to sleep and had pills to do so, but my flatmate frantically protested and called for an ambulance. Later on the Doctors told me that - were I to have gone back to sleep - I would never have woken up again, for the lumbar puncture revealed I had meningitis. But that private, quiet encounter with Mariah in the deep of the night will always stay with me. I was silently in another world as I watched her wake, walk and talk. It was not like all the times I had seen her in person before, whether on stage, in a studio, or outside a hotel. She was as if any other human being on Earth and, incredulously, not the one human being on Earth who had, from a great distance and long ago, filled my heart little heart with so much wonder, made me feel a little less shit about the horror around me and convinced me that I would always be able to find just a little more fight left within me. I really had tried my best to make the signing that cold December 4th in 2005. I tried my best to stay in that line, leaning against the side of the HMV building off Oxford Street, other fans insisting it was crazy for me to give up and miss the opportunity. I was so close to a brief one-on-one that I had dreamt about as a little boy. But something was wrong, I had pushed it too far and it just was not meant to be. It is somewhat ironic that trying to talk to Mariah almost killed me. Because I really wanted to use those few moments at that signing to tell her what I wished I had told her in the deep of the night only a few hours before: "Thank you so much for saving my life." There is no Music Box without Hero and Anytime You Need A Friend. There is no me without Hero and Anytime You Need A Friend. And so there is no me without Music Box. And I shall love it the most, until the very end. (Friday 15 September 2023; 02:46) this is a reply to message 103,486

Daydream is Mariah's magnum opus (103,486) by Jamie from UK Hahaha [you're] too kind Andrew, I was literally shaking after though could barely sign the disclaimer lol. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 18:28)

Why is Mariah's not releasing more albums? (103,491) by Andrew from the UK Two soundtrack albums? Name one. (Friday 15 September 2023; 00:16) this is a reply to message 103,488

Why is Mariah's not releasing more albums? (103,488) by jaker20 from US Mariah's albums: 15 studio albums, 2 soundtrack albums, 8 compilation albums, 4 extended plays, and 1 remix album. Total 30 albums. Madonna's albums: 15 studio albums, 3 soundtrack albums, 6 live albums, 7 compilation albums, and 39 other limited releases. Total 70 albums. Barbra Streisand albums: 36 studio albums, 11 compilations, 11 live albums, and 15 soundtracks. Total 73 albums. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 20:21)

All I Live For (103,485) by Andrew from the UK I am convinced it's different recording takes mixed differently to make two different songs. Note All I Live For is "Extended Version" and AYNAF is "Extended Mix". I think Mariah created two different songs from sessions where no song was ever finalised. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 16:56) this is a reply to message 103,481

All I Live For (103,481) by Chicago Lamb from USA Sounds like two different recording takes. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 13:42)

Daydream is Mariah's magnum opus (103,484) by Andrew from the UK Part 4. He's the handsome sweet bloke that genuinely - genuinely - looks like that moment meant the world to him. And to be fair he handles himself far better than I have in front of her - especially given that he had Justin and Alan to contend with. "Oh, smurf off, Jamie" and "Come on down, the water's lovely" was very quickfire comedy and it was probably the funniest part of the show. To have dealt with that and still hold your own in front of that crowd and Mariah herself was impressive. To, further, seize the day and try to get down onto the set is nothing short of gobsmacking. It's a great part of the show. Enough of me giving compliments - they hurt my head. I'm not used to it. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 16:54) this is a reply to message 103,480

Daydream is Mariah's magnum opus (103,480) by Robert-Anthony from United States Which part can I see Jamie in? There are like 5 parts on YouTube. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 12:50)

All I Live For (103,474) by Andrew from the UK Apologies if this has already been discussed and deliberated but it's driving me a little insane: "No I would never play around" in the extended version sounds like The Rarities vocal with the word "around" different as if Mariah has taken the Rarities version and spliced it at that point. The extended version goes up on the word around and it doesn't flow like a phrase. I'm very confused: did Mariah condense the extended version to make a short version for The Rarities or - I'm a bit lost as to what I am hearing and what the differences are. Has anyone got this? (Thursday 14 September 2023; 06:17)

Daydream is Mariah's magnum opus (103,473) by Andrew from the UK E=MC2 is a much better record than The Emancipation of Mimi. It's one of Mariah's best. You should also check out The Friday Night Project on YouTube. Mariah looks amazing. So does Jamie, actually. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 06:02) this is a reply to message 103,469

Daydream is Mariah's magnum opus (103,469) by jaker20 from US Some say it's Music Box, Butterfly, TEOM, and some even say it's Caution or Merry Christmas, but that's only because she has so many. But Daydream is really where she hit the pinnacle, when she got the most Grammy noms, and hit her 11th no.1. She could have said it's a wrap (no pun) at that point, but she went on and on and gave The Beatles a run for their money. But Daydream is what I would call a perfect pop album, start to finish. You can sense a longing for more maturity here before she went full blow emancipated in Butterfly, the writing is some of her best, and the melodies are classics. "Fantasy" is a just a perfect pop song and best example of sampling. It is so good that even the remixes are top notch bops and its stands out a rework such as BE. It even works so well as a film score in multiple variations because it just have so many facets. Rolling Stone putting at no.400 in their 500 greatest songs of all time is just criminal because I can't think of a more perfect pop song. Oh and the rest of the album slays too. Classics each one of them. (Wednesday 13 September 2023; 20:38)

MB30 (103,467) by Andrew from the UK Ja, stimmt. Music Box *made* Mariah an international superstar. Global artist. With Daydream she became a global artist. (Wednesday 13 September 2023; 17:35) this is a reply to message 103,465

MB30 (103,465) by MusicfanJ from Germany Except of Daydream. There was Mariah mania all over the globe. I will never forget. (Wednesday 13 September 2023; 11:39)

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