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The Tiffany performances (113,651) by Bill from the UK Probably better if she lip syncs from now on. Wow. Never thought I'd see myself type that, but here we are. It was a dreadful performance. I continue to pray that she deals with whatever this debilitating disease is. And Mariah, please please tell us. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 11:43) this is a reply to message 113,642

The Tiffany performances (113,642) by Lighty from China Oh my gosh, Mariah has returned to singing Hero and WBT (without climax) live again. (Friday 17 April 2026; 18:28)

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,650) by Lambi from USA Beautifully put. The Barbie doll argument falls apart easily when you counterpoint it with the fact that Dolly Parton famously played around with the bimbo stereotype: "I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb and I also know that I'm not blonde." Being a dumb blonde was quite literally her brand, and yet she got inducted. But it is fundamentally true that it boils down to politics. The Rock N Roll crowd has never embraced Mariah Carey. In fact, they love to rag on her. It almost feels personal. It's sort of like when Mariah did demos for these rock hippie metal types growing up. She asked if they were open to her writing songs, and they were like, "Nah." Mariah knew her songs were stronger, and they probably knew it too. So is it the same post-making it as well? Is it because she is simply too talented? Is it because she is too girly? Did she really ruin classics like Open Arms and Without You that bad? Or is it something closer to envy: that she possesses exceptional talent, was backed by the biggest record label, and through her marriage to its CEO, secured automatic colossal success? Or is it that the albums those songs appeared on were so extraordinarily successful that it creates a perception, among rock elite purists, that she took credit away from the original writers? Whatever it is, I do not think it means much to Mariah. She is a pop and R&B girlie. Plus she was already inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame and already won just about every award possible in the industry. She is probably relieved she does not have to dress up for yet another yawn fest. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 11:24) this is a reply to message 113,641

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,641) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I don't agree with putting Mariah in the same category as Joan Crawford. Crawford was abusive and cruel to family members and hangers on. Mariah's "diva antics" are not abusive/cruel; they are obnoxious at times but are usually framed in a campy, self aware manner. As far as expecting humility, the entertainment industry is not a place where humility are cultivated or encouraged as a character trait. Just look at some of other nominees. The band Oasis, for example, and its members cannot be described as "humble". They are poster children for excesses of rock and roll, and I am sure that other inducted acts behaved in ways that make Mariah look like a school girl. Mick Jagger has eight children with five different women and used copious amounts of alcohol and drugs during his prime, but he's still in the Hall of Fame and no one's commenting on his behavior. I personally don't care about Mariah getting into the Hall of Fame, as I think it really should be limited to "rock" acts if it's going to be called the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. But claiming that Mariah's "diva" behavior somehow disqualifies her is absurd. There are people in the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame who have done far worse. Phil Spector was inducted in 1989, and he was subsequently found guilty of second degree murder. (Friday 17 April 2026; 16:02)

Be nice or leave (113,649) by Steven Berning from USA Fairweather friend. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 08:29) this is a reply to message 113,640

Be nice or leave (113,640) by Edward from USA Easy, Mary, you completely missed the point. It's not about her staying the same or not evolving. The issue is that she stopped being relatable, which is a completely different thing. And Mariah wasn't some puppet back then. The words that came out of her mouth were hers, the eloquence, the intelligence, that was all her. Tommy was just part of the equation. He didn't write or produce those songs for her; she did. Randy is right: her diva persona ended up eclipsing her genius. Where's the relatability now? Her performing "Make It Happen" up through TEOM felt authentic. If she tried to deliver that same message today, people would probably roll their eyes. There's a clear disconnect between her music and her persona, and that's what makes her feel unrelatable. You can even see it in how public perception has shifted, before 2005, being her fan was something people proudly wore on their sleeve. Now, most fans feel like they have to keep it to themselves, myself included. If I had a dime for every time people rolled their eyes when I said I was a fan, I'd be rich. (Friday 17 April 2026; 15:52)

Tiffany's (113,648) by Steven Berning from USA I thought Mariah looked regale and sounded delightful. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 08:24)

New Vanity Fair interview (113,647) by Lighty from China From Mariah's new VanityFair interview - a couple shows and things, but more towards Christmas - Glitter 25th anniversary, she’ll work with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis for it - bought a new house in Connecticut - 2 new puppies, Pip and Poppy and more... (Saturday 18 April 2026; 05:40)

Mariah at Tiffany & Co. (113,646) by Bobby A from United States MC looks so sad performing. It breaks my heart to see her this way. She is sad because she can't access her instrument anymore. Being heavily medicated is probably only the way she can stand on the stage and attempt to sing. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 04:47) this is a reply to message 113,645

Mariah at Tiffany & Co. (113,645) by Jamie from UK Yeah there's something definitely wrong with her. It was a painful watch both physically and vocally for me. It's really sad she is like this. I just saw a few more clips, and some were not too bad actually but Hero and WBT were hard to watch for me. Touch My Body and Obsessed are the better two. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 02:13)

Mariah at Tiffany & Co. (113,645) by Jamie from UK Yeah there's something definitely wrong with her. It was a painful watch both physically and vocally for me. It's really sad she is like this. I just saw a few more clips, and some were not too bad actually but Hero and WBT were hard to watch for me. Touch My Body and Obsessed are the better two. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 02:13) this is a reply to message 113,644

Mariah at Tiffany & Co. (113,644) by Giovanni from USA Mariah looked nice and was singing live at Tiffany & Co. but it's so painful and hard to see her so medicated. I saw her sign some autographs and she looked so robotic and out of space. It's not only sad but scary because it's like she's being controlled in some evil way. I thought she sounded decent but completely disconnected from reality. Even if she was retired from music and had no contracts I still would worry. She's 57 and is handled around like she's an elderly woman, it's weird. And before anyone comes at me I love Mariah and I think my posts prove that it's just hard to see her this way. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 00:21)

Mariah at Tiffany & Co. (113,644) by Giovanni from USA Mariah looked nice and was singing live at Tiffany & Co. but it's so painful and hard to see her so medicated. I saw her sign some autographs and she looked so robotic and out of space. It's not only sad but scary because it's like she's being controlled in some evil way. I thought she sounded decent but completely disconnected from reality. Even if she was retired from music and had no contracts I still would worry. She's 57 and is handled around like she's an elderly woman, it's weird. And before anyone comes at me I love Mariah and I think my posts prove that it's just hard to see her this way. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 00:21)

Nikki (113,643) by Giovanni from USA I enjoy your posts Nikki, please keep posting. I'm not a "yas man" but I do agree that some of Mariah's fans can be her biggest haters. I like everyone here except for maybe a few but we're all entitled to our opinions. (Saturday 18 April 2026; 00:10)

The Tiffany performances (113,642) by Lighty from China Oh my gosh, Mariah has returned to singing Hero and WBT (without climax) live again. (Friday 17 April 2026; 18:28)

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,641) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I don't agree with putting Mariah in the same category as Joan Crawford. Crawford was abusive and cruel to family members and hangers on. Mariah's "diva antics" are not abusive/cruel; they are obnoxious at times but are usually framed in a campy, self aware manner. As far as expecting humility, the entertainment industry is not a place where humility are cultivated or encouraged as a character trait. Just look at some of other nominees. The band Oasis, for example, and its members cannot be described as "humble". They are poster children for excesses of rock and roll, and I am sure that other inducted acts behaved in ways that make Mariah look like a school girl. Mick Jagger has eight children with five different women and used copious amounts of alcohol and drugs during his prime, but he's still in the Hall of Fame and no one's commenting on his behavior. I personally don't care about Mariah getting into the Hall of Fame, as I think it really should be limited to "rock" acts if it's going to be called the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. But claiming that Mariah's "diva" behavior somehow disqualifies her is absurd. There are people in the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame who have done far worse. Phil Spector was inducted in 1989, and he was subsequently found guilty of second degree murder. (Friday 17 April 2026; 16:02) this is a reply to message 113,619

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,619) by Randy from USA I called this when they first nominated her this go round. I don't know what bubble a lot of you live in but I'm with the general public non-Mariah fans all the time. They think she's a joke. The lighting. The guy holding her umbrella. Her good side. We are talking about the greatest recording artist that ever lived and yet she's so afraid of her voice that she uses any topic she can to avoid talking about singing of being asked to sing impromptu. I'm thrilled that the full Divas 98 section is making its way around when Aretha asked the divas to come out there with her and sing. Celine wasn't showing off. She was doing what she was asked to and could do. Mariah came out too and sounded subpar. Oh wait she has nodules, it was too hot, it was too cold, she didn't get enough sleep, the humidifier quit without two weeks notice. All of these topics Mariah holds dear makes her look like a joke. Mariah has delivered her best album in 16 years and it hurts me that she was out there promoting it and it still didn't do well. I saw that MusicCares tribute and I was heartbroken she had to sit through that. It shows how little the industry cares for her by the lack of planning and seriousness they put into that. Joan Crawford was one of the brightest stars of the 1920s 1930s and 1940s. She died alone and penniless because of her diva antics and eccentricities. People look as her as a joke and if you ask someone about her now all they know is No More Wire Hangers. Yall will attack me for this post and the comparison. Truth is, I want Mariah to win. But it is evident why they have passed her over three times for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They don't respect her. And who do I blame for that? Mariah. Because that 20 year old girl in the outtakes in The First Vision is loveable, humble and relatable. She would be in The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. (Thursday 16 April 2026; 14:31)

Be nice or leave (113,640) by Edward from USA Easy, Mary, you completely missed the point. It's not about her staying the same or not evolving. The issue is that she stopped being relatable, which is a completely different thing. And Mariah wasn't some puppet back then. The words that came out of her mouth were hers, the eloquence, the intelligence, that was all her. Tommy was just part of the equation. He didn't write or produce those songs for her; she did. Randy is right: her diva persona ended up eclipsing her genius. Where's the relatability now? Her performing "Make It Happen" up through TEOM felt authentic. If she tried to deliver that same message today, people would probably roll their eyes. There's a clear disconnect between her music and her persona, and that's what makes her feel unrelatable. You can even see it in how public perception has shifted, before 2005, being her fan was something people proudly wore on their sleeve. Now, most fans feel like they have to keep it to themselves, myself included. If I had a dime for every time people rolled their eyes when I said I was a fan, I'd be rich. (Friday 17 April 2026; 15:52) this is a reply to message 113,635

Be nice or leave (113,635) by AnKo from Germany I am in pure shock about Randy's article and how some of you seem to cherish it. Wow. Are you basically saying the neat innocent girl from the 1990's dominated and led by men should have kept going on like this? I think MC would have committed suicide in the 90's if she didn't liberated and emancipated herself from this situation, my friends. And you were clearly not listening to her lyrics she has published ever since. You also don't seem to acknowledge the power house MC still is. Do you even know how many artists MC has left behind ever since she started? I bet there are quite a few artists (male or female) who were broken by the music industry or simply disappeared? I bet there are quite a few people who would kill to have a career like her. Yet you are rambling about her clothes and looks, attitude and decisions she has made. If you don't like her than leave her alone and don't bother. And I am tired about the debate of her declining voice and what it is now. Fun fact: if you don't like her music ever since Butterfly, don't listen to it. We are still living a misogynistic world and Randy's article is proving it. (Friday 17 April 2026; 12:46)

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,639) by LEOlamb from USA Just a side note - like the Grammys and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, these votes come from people within the industry who have competed with Mariah, who may have felt overlooked by management, publicists, label execs, and radio because of the machine she had behind her. When they couldn't get a prime spot in a record store, that placement on MTV, or a magazine cover, the way they can protest or get even is by not voting for her. Any actual Lamb from the beginning has to acknowledge that Columbia used its sales, marketing, and distribution power to push things for Mariah. It's been documented - just not widely publicized. I believe Mariah is the best recording artist and songwriter, and I feel lucky to have existed during her time. If you're looking for the same results, you'll always be let down. You don't even need real talent anymore to be placed in the kinds of situations Mariah once was. She was - and has been - a product backed by the best of the best. I'm not upset about her voice, her antics - none of it. When I say she could release an album of her just speaking the alphabet, I mean it. I'm not going to hold her to my definition - or anyone else's definition - of anything. Mariah is a freaking icon for everything she's done. So Mariah, keep doing you. Keep the persona, release what you want, and do it on your terms. (Friday 17 April 2026; 15:38) this is a reply to message 113,619

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,619) by Randy from USA I called this when they first nominated her this go round. I don't know what bubble a lot of you live in but I'm with the general public non-Mariah fans all the time. They think she's a joke. The lighting. The guy holding her umbrella. Her good side. We are talking about the greatest recording artist that ever lived and yet she's so afraid of her voice that she uses any topic she can to avoid talking about singing of being asked to sing impromptu. I'm thrilled that the full Divas 98 section is making its way around when Aretha asked the divas to come out there with her and sing. Celine wasn't showing off. She was doing what she was asked to and could do. Mariah came out too and sounded subpar. Oh wait she has nodules, it was too hot, it was too cold, she didn't get enough sleep, the humidifier quit without two weeks notice. All of these topics Mariah holds dear makes her look like a joke. Mariah has delivered her best album in 16 years and it hurts me that she was out there promoting it and it still didn't do well. I saw that MusicCares tribute and I was heartbroken she had to sit through that. It shows how little the industry cares for her by the lack of planning and seriousness they put into that. Joan Crawford was one of the brightest stars of the 1920s 1930s and 1940s. She died alone and penniless because of her diva antics and eccentricities. People look as her as a joke and if you ask someone about her now all they know is No More Wire Hangers. Yall will attack me for this post and the comparison. Truth is, I want Mariah to win. But it is evident why they have passed her over three times for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They don't respect her. And who do I blame for that? Mariah. Because that 20 year old girl in the outtakes in The First Vision is loveable, humble and relatable. She would be in The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. (Thursday 16 April 2026; 14:31)

Mariah's too epic for words (113,638) by Edward from USA It's just Nikki pulling stuff out of her behind as always, hardly surprising at this point. Different from other posters here who keep it real, she lives in her own bubble of delusions, typical "yass queen". Mariah is surrounded by these types of people, just like Michael was. (Friday 17 April 2026; 15:26) this is a reply to message 113,631

Mariah's too epic for words (113,631) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands "The Beatles aren't well loved." You really think that? You're completely off this world. (Friday 17 April 2026; 09:58)

Mariah's too epic for words (113,637) by TJ from Norway Maybe she doesn't have enough fans to vote for her to win. There's no secret that she lost millions of fans in the late 90's. The few that has attended after that, aren't enough. (Friday 17 April 2026; 14:51) this is a reply to message 113,628

Mariah's too epic for words (113,628) by Nikki from usa If Mariah didn't have respect in the industry, she wouldn't have been nominated 3 times. Who do you think allows her on the ballot? It's not the fans that choose that, it's the fans that vote for the finalists. You didn't, therefore she isn't. I keep forgetting this is a board of Celine fans who also like Mariah's 1993 work. This just in - respect isn't a clothing line. Nobody is in the [Hall of Fame] for their attire. The HOF is heavily influenced by rock and roll. The Beatles aren't well loved - they're well promoted, frequently hyped up, have documentaries all the time, and even a movie or two. That's called PR. Because people make big money off of them. Whitney was never nominated while she was alive. She could've been inducted in 2010. Let that sink in. Are you going to claim it was because of the drugs? That's pretty rock n' roll. She had a career push and a movie about her after her death, because - gasp - the industry can now make money off of her. They even have her hologram on tour. MC has her own publishing and doesn't allow her music to be used. They can't make money off of her, yet she's nominated. Meanwhile, she has no strong fanbase. They scattered. Pink and Shakira's are highly active and engaged. Half of Mariah's didn't know she was up for the award, how to vote for her, and that they could do it more than once. MC's fans aren't engaged - it's been over 25 years and you're all still harping on her clothes. Deep as a puddle. (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:39)

Be nice or leave (113,636) by Jamie from UK And as you just voiced your opinion, please acknowledge that we also can voice our opinion. If you don't like the truth then leave. (Friday 17 April 2026; 14:05) this is a reply to message 113,635

Be nice or leave (113,635) by AnKo from Germany I am in pure shock about Randy's article and how some of you seem to cherish it. Wow. Are you basically saying the neat innocent girl from the 1990's dominated and led by men should have kept going on like this? I think MC would have committed suicide in the 90's if she didn't liberated and emancipated herself from this situation, my friends. And you were clearly not listening to her lyrics she has published ever since. You also don't seem to acknowledge the power house MC still is. Do you even know how many artists MC has left behind ever since she started? I bet there are quite a few artists (male or female) who were broken by the music industry or simply disappeared? I bet there are quite a few people who would kill to have a career like her. Yet you are rambling about her clothes and looks, attitude and decisions she has made. If you don't like her than leave her alone and don't bother. And I am tired about the debate of her declining voice and what it is now. Fun fact: if you don't like her music ever since Butterfly, don't listen to it. We are still living a misogynistic world and Randy's article is proving it. (Friday 17 April 2026; 12:46)

Be nice or leave (113,635) by AnKo from Germany I am in pure shock about Randy's article and how some of you seem to cherish it. Wow. Are you basically saying the neat innocent girl from the 1990's dominated and led by men should have kept going on like this? I think MC would have committed suicide in the 90's if she didn't liberated and emancipated herself from this situation, my friends. And you were clearly not listening to her lyrics she has published ever since. You also don't seem to acknowledge the power house MC still is. Do you even know how many artists MC has left behind ever since she started? I bet there are quite a few artists (male or female) who were broken by the music industry or simply disappeared? I bet there are quite a few people who would kill to have a career like her. Yet you are rambling about her clothes and looks, attitude and decisions she has made. If you don't like her than leave her alone and don't bother. And I am tired about the debate of her declining voice and what it is now. Fun fact: if you don't like her music ever since Butterfly, don't listen to it. We are still living a misogynistic world and Randy's article is proving it. (Friday 17 April 2026; 12:46)

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,634) by Jamie from UK I never knew George Michael was in the room, you have made my day Bill. (Friday 17 April 2026; 10:42) this is a reply to message 113,623

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,623) by Bill from the UK What's poignant about this post is that in her early Tommy years, Mariah craved the respect that Mary J Blige got. What was heartbreaking, was that she already had it. When I attended the London Daydream tour (not sure if I've ever mentioned it before), Sting, George Michael, and many other musicians were in attendance. She was revered for her singing, able to craft great pop songs that turned into hits, reinvented the remix genre, welded hip hop and pop together, and inspired a generation with her singing technique which is still mimicked to this day. Why she felt the need to descend from the beauty and elegance of Butterfly to the throwaway plastic Barbie look is beyond me. I believe that had she hung up her malfunctioning ear monitor after Butterfly and made no more albums, citing the loss of her voice as the reason why, she would have been inducted years ago. She should have bowed out gracefully to concentrate on songwriting and production the moment she realised she had to fake it to make it. (Thursday 16 April 2026; 21:57)

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,633) by Jamie from UK Great article Randy, I really enjoyed reading that. The thing that gets me is Mariah is an intelligent woman. She's influenced so many and changed dynamics. She knew what worked and what didn't, what people liked and didn't like. Yet when it came to herself and her image, once Tommy was off the scene she had no idea how to conduct herself. Butterfly was edgy and worked but she lost a lot of fans even in that era. From then on she took it too far and like you say has become a joke. Why couldn't she see what was working and what wasn't with her image etc. We've had glimpses of classic Mariah for example when she sang for Patti where she looked elegant and classy but for the majority of the time she looked cheap. All of this diva Barbie antics should have been rectified a long time ago, I feel it's all a little too late now. Her last album was great, vocals not so but it failed because people don't take her seriously anymore. (Friday 17 April 2026; 10:41) this is a reply to message 113,619

The real reason Mariah gets no respect (113,619) by Randy from USA I called this when they first nominated her this go round. I don't know what bubble a lot of you live in but I'm with the general public non-Mariah fans all the time. They think she's a joke. The lighting. The guy holding her umbrella. Her good side. We are talking about the greatest recording artist that ever lived and yet she's so afraid of her voice that she uses any topic she can to avoid talking about singing of being asked to sing impromptu. I'm thrilled that the full Divas 98 section is making its way around when Aretha asked the divas to come out there with her and sing. Celine wasn't showing off. She was doing what she was asked to and could do. Mariah came out too and sounded subpar. Oh wait she has nodules, it was too hot, it was too cold, she didn't get enough sleep, the humidifier quit without two weeks notice. All of these topics Mariah holds dear makes her look like a joke. Mariah has delivered her best album in 16 years and it hurts me that she was out there promoting it and it still didn't do well. I saw that MusicCares tribute and I was heartbroken she had to sit through that. It shows how little the industry cares for her by the lack of planning and seriousness they put into that. Joan Crawford was one of the brightest stars of the 1920s 1930s and 1940s. She died alone and penniless because of her diva antics and eccentricities. People look as her as a joke and if you ask someone about her now all they know is No More Wire Hangers. Yall will attack me for this post and the comparison. Truth is, I want Mariah to win. But it is evident why they have passed her over three times for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They don't respect her. And who do I blame for that? Mariah. Because that 20 year old girl in the outtakes in The First Vision is loveable, humble and relatable. She would be in The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. (Thursday 16 April 2026; 14:31)

Lessen the creative control debate (113,632) by Bobby A from United States Happy Friday, Nikki. I have never been called bruh before. I love it. I like it when we engaged about MC with constructive criticism. I know everyone on this board loves MC and wants the best for her. However, It has been painful for us to witness the missteps MC has made in her career in regards to the public's perception of her. I hope she can get her mojo back soon. I want MC to have another WBT or Hero moment where her song is on the pop radio constantly and on everyone's mind. (Friday 17 April 2026; 10:25) this is a reply to message 113,629

Lessen the creative control debate (113,629) by Nikki from usa Bruh, it's the industry that nominates them to get them on the ballot. It's the fans that vote them in. She's not in because the fans haven't shown up. The fans don't engage and mobilize anymore. The industry literally nominated her 3 times at least by this point. Mariah has been recognized for her songwriting. Mariah was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2022. I think this board has no respect for her, but she's had several honors and dedications to her in just the past few years. (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:47)

Mariah's too epic for words (113,631) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands "The Beatles aren't well loved." You really think that? You're completely off this world. (Friday 17 April 2026; 09:58) this is a reply to message 113,628

Mariah's too epic for words (113,628) by Nikki from usa If Mariah didn't have respect in the industry, she wouldn't have been nominated 3 times. Who do you think allows her on the ballot? It's not the fans that choose that, it's the fans that vote for the finalists. You didn't, therefore she isn't. I keep forgetting this is a board of Celine fans who also like Mariah's 1993 work. This just in - respect isn't a clothing line. Nobody is in the [Hall of Fame] for their attire. The HOF is heavily influenced by rock and roll. The Beatles aren't well loved - they're well promoted, frequently hyped up, have documentaries all the time, and even a movie or two. That's called PR. Because people make big money off of them. Whitney was never nominated while she was alive. She could've been inducted in 2010. Let that sink in. Are you going to claim it was because of the drugs? That's pretty rock n' roll. She had a career push and a movie about her after her death, because - gasp - the industry can now make money off of her. They even have her hologram on tour. MC has her own publishing and doesn't allow her music to be used. They can't make money off of her, yet she's nominated. Meanwhile, she has no strong fanbase. They scattered. Pink and Shakira's are highly active and engaged. Half of Mariah's didn't know she was up for the award, how to vote for her, and that they could do it more than once. MC's fans aren't engaged - it's been over 25 years and you're all still harping on her clothes. Deep as a puddle. (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:39)

I wouldn't worry about her finances (113,630) by Nikki from usa Mariah's touring so much because she's under contract with Live Nation. She signed with them in 2017. They had to cancel her 2020 tour. Which is why they got her a few headlining gigs, but Mariah didn't have another real tour again until 2022-2023. Live Nation has to combine two Christmas seasons together before they consider it a full "tour". So, Mariah didn't have a 'tour' again until 2023 as far as they were concerned. Which is why they've been riding her so hard ever since. They're trying to make up for lost time. It states her Tribeca home was under an LLC. So, she has it classified as a business. Which means its expenses are tax deductible. She made it a tax write off. When she sells it, it will be for an investor's capital gains tax which is different from the rest of us mere mortals. Since, it is an asset being sold its mechanics will work different and not include your usual real estate arrangements. AKA: MC will keep more money. She could be using it to pay off debts, it's possible, but she also may not. She will be just fine. (Friday 17 April 2026; 09:25)

Lessen the creative control debate (113,629) by Nikki from usa Bruh, it's the industry that nominates them to get them on the ballot. It's the fans that vote them in. She's not in because the fans haven't shown up. The fans don't engage and mobilize anymore. The industry literally nominated her 3 times at least by this point. Mariah has been recognized for her songwriting. Mariah was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2022. I think this board has no respect for her, but she's had several honors and dedications to her in just the past few years. (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:47) this is a reply to message 113,614

Lessen the creative control debate (113,614) by Bobby A from United States Do you think MC's creative control over her songwriting and song production is hindering her induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? It is something to think about as the reason why she doesn't receive the recognition for her songwriting abilities like she should in the music industry. If she would collaborate with more established pop, rock, and country songwriters and producers, I think it would open up more possibilities for MC to be seen as a "rock and roll" artist to all of these industry committees and academies. This is the reason why MC was not inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for a third time. Sometimes an artist has to play the industry game and psych them out into noticing what an artist can do musically with their songwriting abilities. Santana did it. Jon Batiste did it. Taylor Swift has been doing it for her last five albums. MC has played it "safe" in this music industry for far too long. It is time for her to do the inconceivable on her next album. They would surely take notice at a Ashley Gorley, Ryan Tedder, Sia or Jack Antonoff collaboration. A Max Martin or David Garcia solely produced album would make them take more notice too. (Tuesday 14 April 2026; 23:42)

Mariah's too epic for words (113,628) by Nikki from usa If Mariah didn't have respect in the industry, she wouldn't have been nominated 3 times. Who do you think allows her on the ballot? It's not the fans that choose that, it's the fans that vote for the finalists. You didn't, therefore she isn't. I keep forgetting this is a board of Celine fans who also like Mariah's 1993 work. This just in - respect isn't a clothing line. Nobody is in the [Hall of Fame] for their attire. The HOF is heavily influenced by rock and roll. The Beatles aren't well loved - they're well promoted, frequently hyped up, have documentaries all the time, and even a movie or two. That's called PR. Because people make big money off of them. Whitney was never nominated while she was alive. She could've been inducted in 2010. Let that sink in. Are you going to claim it was because of the drugs? That's pretty rock n' roll. She had a career push and a movie about her after her death, because - gasp - the industry can now make money off of her. They even have her hologram on tour. MC has her own publishing and doesn't allow her music to be used. They can't make money off of her, yet she's nominated. Meanwhile, she has no strong fanbase. They scattered. Pink and Shakira's are highly active and engaged. Half of Mariah's didn't know she was up for the award, how to vote for her, and that they could do it more than once. MC's fans aren't engaged - it's been over 25 years and you're all still harping on her clothes. Deep as a puddle. (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:39)

Article: Mariah Carey wants $27M for her NYC penthouse triplex (113,627) by Nikki from usa If she sells that location then what is she going to do with her helicopter? Unless that was sold awhile ago. Exactly, how much was her staff stealing from her? It was for a single woman in the city. I'm sure it was fine for the kids, but they're teens now and will be leaving the nest soon. Maybe she wants a smaller place or she's thinking of sending them off to college. Tuition and gas can be expensive. She still has that million dollar home in Capri. Will that be the new residence? (Friday 17 April 2026; 08:20)

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