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More thoughts (111,855) by Edward from USA

Exactly my point. "HFIA" actually performed well, especially for a legacy artist. Ed Sheeran's "Play" debuted at #5 on the Billboard 200, then dropped to #40, #83, and fell off completely, and that was with three charting singles beforehand: "Azizam" peaked at #28, "Sapphire" at #74, and "Old Phone" at #89. Katy Perry's "143" debuted at #6, just about 1K above Mariah's numbers, then plunged to #76 before disappearing from the Top 200 altogether. Considering how long it's been since Mariah released a new album, her numbers are actually ok, especially compared to other legacy artists and their recent releases. We really need to cut Mariah some slack.

I knew Katy Perry would have to eat her words eventually. She once shaded Mariah by saying, "Mariah would be good for a throwback," implying she was no longer relevant. Funny how things turn out, just a few years later, it's Katy's own career that came crashing down.
(Tuesday 14 October 2025; 02:25)


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Retrospective moments (111,854) by Lambi from USA

Not a set up at all. Just painting a very clear picture on how hard Mariah banked on and pushed this album.

My point was simply Mariah got more "brand new" artist treatment than an actual relatively new artist and still tanked.

(Tuesday 14 October 2025; 02:11)


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More thoughts (111,853) by jaker20 from US

"Are the big labels doing better? I don't know what to think."

The last releases from Katy Perry, Doja Cat, Shania Twain, Carrie Underwood, Miley Cyrus, Ellie Goulding did either around same or worse than HFIA. But for pure sales, Mariah did better than all of them.

P.nk and Selena Gomez did better but didn't even do gold, nor produced any top 40 single. Alicia Key's last 2 albums didn't even chart.

Justin Bieber's last album did significantly better in streaming, but did pitiful 6K pure sales, significantly worse than Mariah's. Jack Harlow did much worse. Maroon 5's last 2 album significantly did worse than Mariah's pure sales, the last one didn't even chart top 20. Ed Sheeran's album did slightly better than HFIA but came and went.

Save for a few like Taylor and Bruno Mars, not many are actually doing all that good right now. Ariana, Beyonce's and Lady Gaga's last albums are some of the "best selling" albums this year and last year. They also sold about the same as Glitter. As Lizzo has said, the industry is in shambles right now.

(Tuesday 14 October 2025; 01:18)


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My single choices + videos (111,852) by jaker20 from US

That's a good idea. "In Your Feelings" is actually gaining in Urban and R&B all by itself being a good song that it is. I just want a really good video from Mariah, can we get a good video? I'd rather her flop and make good videos. I'm surprised that she's not putting that effort even on her Christmas catalog. She should have a good new video every season.

Now, enough time has passed, so I'm going to be honest: I don't think Type Dangerous is a good video. I'm glad it got her an MTV award, and that many here thinks it looks expensive. I actually think it looks very cheap, as in CGI greenscreen cheap. The Sugar Sweet clip of her doing whatever she's doing (I think she's trying TikTok choreo) is honestly embarrassing. And that Play That Song video looks shot on iPhone.

I think I've said this a few times: I don't think Mariah's had a good video, since, maybe Obsessed. That's why that song has become an unexpected timeless hit for her because it's a good video. It has a concept that goes viral every now and then, and not necessarily expensive looking. Kids take a clip from it, and it goes viral.

Mariah hasn't had a good video because she can't be directed. They likely just say to her: "Do what you feel like doing and hold the brush like a microphone." But her greatest videos always have a director who is in control of the creative process, who push her to do as instructed.

And in this time of Mariah's career, she can't be told what to do and receive instructions, that's why she can't even do basic choreo and make good videos anymore.

(Monday 13 October 2025; 20:22)


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Some random idea (111,851) by MusicfanJ from Germany

Absolutely. Great post. "The difference is Mariah doesn't respect JLo's talent." What talent, to look good?

Lol. Mariah will never ever work with J.Lo. Not for a movie and not for music. She really can't stand her for many reasons which I totally understand. And yes, after Tommy the media problems began. Most people didn't like her "new image".
(Monday 13 October 2025; 20:15)


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Hostage release Nothing Is Impossible (111,850) by John from USA

"Nothing Is Impossible" just hits differently. It's very moving and as simple as the production is at the beginning, it has the ability to stir your feelings instantaneously. I was hoping she would release it regardless. I have a feeling it is one where the message would resonate universally.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 19:18)


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Retrospective moments (111,849) by jaker20 from US

That is unfair to compare Mariah, who is a legacy act with 35 year career, to Morgan Wallen. You are basically setting her up.

And of course they will hype the album. They won't actually say "we'd be happy if it does better than Miley Cyrus, Shania Twain and Katy Perry's last albums" which are all signed to major labels.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 18:51)


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Some random idea (111,848) by Bill from the UK

Lol, I think we'll all be in the cold cold ground before Mariah and J. Lo ever duet. Mariah is still holding a grudge against Tommy nearly thirty years after separating from him and he was her husband. Doubt she'll let her grudge with J. Lo go considering she doesn't even know her. I really didn't want to type that last sentence.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 18:17)


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Hostage release Nothing Is Impossible (111,847) by Libra Lamb from USA

There are anti fascists here, I'm one of them. Not everyone supports his authoritarian regime. Some of us have a brain.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 17:58)


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Last one for a few days (111,846) by Lighty from China

Sorry but I think Mariah would do 0 of the things you listed.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 17:55)


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Hostage release Nothing Is Impossible (111,845) by Edward from USA

Don't mention Trump here, there are some extreme lunatics that would come for your throat, literally.

(Monday 13 October 2025; 16:22)


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Last one for a few days (111,844) by Dove from United States

Maybe Jennifer and Mariah wouldn't need to collaborate on a serious song. Maybe they could do something else too. Something charity related. It would be funny if they did that AI song I Don't Know Her SNL style.

They could lock themselves up together somewhere beautiful to hash out their beef and work that karma out. I'm almost certain they would come out of that experience best friends. I think they both need that. It's lonely at the top. Not a lot of other people can relate to their lives and success. Jennifer seems like a solid person. I don't think she would throw MC under the bus. Maybe when she was young and desperate for success she would have but age and life usually make us wiser.

Even if Mariah doesn't respect her musical talent, there has to be something she respects about her. Even if it is only her talent at being a celebrity. Jennifer really does come off as very likable. Honestly, that and her looks are what got her as far as she got IMO. And she is a hard worker. That's noticeable. She's always trying to be better and doesn't take her opportunities for granted. What she lacks in natural talent, she makes up for in hard work, looks, and likability.

The best art is when people bleed out for it. They could get all those feelings out and write a song about it. Even better if it's a funny song. MC needs to clear up this karma so everything starts moving smoothly again. It's causing blockages right now. Energetic constipation. Ha ha.

A funny song with Eminem would be talked about too but I don't know if I trust him to not throw her under the bus.

We don't know if she would never cover a current artist's song. Has she said that? I'm giving suggestions of things that would get her talked about in a positive way. Covering one of Taylor's relatable songs would get her talked about if it sounds good. Taylor wouldn't throw her under the bus, either. Taylor's careful with her energy. Taylor is like Mariah in that way, they usually only come for people who came for them first.

Another thing, she needs to give back. She could do something like Fiona Apple did when she donated royalties from her song "Criminal" to the While They Wait fund, which helps refugees. Orange is the New Black started using it as their intro song at the height of its popularity. I'm pretty sure Fiona didn't do it for that reason but it got her song heard again. Maybe she could do a charity thing with Jennifer Lopez for a cause they both care about.

Last thing, I don't know if he would do it but I think Steven Wilson should produce her covers album. His albums are always so precise and clean and crisp. He's a Scorpio. He's a musical genius (IMO) and probably knows al lot of good studio musicians who could work on the album. I don't want her to go this way permanently, I know her heart and soul are in R&B, but we need to break up the monotony.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 16:16)

Hostage release Nothing Is Impossible (111,843) by T from USA

I just heard president Trump talk about the prisoners harrowing nights. And immediately I thought if a TikTok is made with NII using the visuals of the hostages being reunited with their families, it would be such a touching and viral moment.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 16:10)

Some random idea (111,842) by T from USA

Mariah and Whitney became friends once they were finally locked in a room together and got to know each other. The difference is Mariah doesn't respect JLo's talent. And she's probably a little jealous of what she's achieved by having good PR and management teams. Where Mariah always perceives herself as having a rough time with the media, JLo is somewhat a media darling. Mariah should realize she had it pretty easy out there during the Tommy years because he shielded her from scrutiny. Mariah's media problems really started after she left the safety net that was Tommy.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 15:16)


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Thoughts (111,841) by T from USA

I agree. It was definitely a possibility that she could've had a pretty decent sized era. Type Dangerous launched the era well but they dragged it on too long, the remixes should've come earlier. In the old days her team was able to time things so perfectly that the remixes would boost the song and get a higher debut on the Hot 100. If the remixes were released the week she was debuting on the chart, maybe it would've came in near 75, as opposed to 95. I'm certain Play This Song coming fast after TD would've given the critics something to chew on. All of a sudden she's back on the Hot 100 and has a critically acclaimed darling in Anderson on a new song. That would've been a good one-two punch. In Your Feelings for the third single timed with the release of the album, and then Here For It All to carry the a/c fans across the finish line. This still can be done, even though the whole summer was wasted on Sugar Sweet.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 15:11)


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Some random idea (111,840) by T from USA

Mariah would never sing a current popular singer's song. She also would never work with JLo. But you got me thinking what she could've done for HFIA. She could've pulled a Michael Jackson and done a double disc called "Herstory" and the first disc could've been an updated greatest hits and the second disc could've been the new album. Call the whole thing "Herstory: Here For It all" and have the album cover a statue of her, like a play on MJ's picture. Then people who would've bought it for the greatest hits would hear all the new songs. At least it would've sold double the amount in the first week and more in the long term.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 15:00)


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Some random idea (111,839) by Dove from United States

The comment you made about Mariah doing a duet with Jennifer Lopez made me think about the movie What Ever Happened to Baby Jane. It's with Betty Davis and Joan Crawford. (It's free on Tubi right now.)

They were rivals in real life and they did the movie together because they knew their rivalry would garner interest in the movie and it did. There was a TV series about it with Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon called Fued. It was pretty good.

I don't know, honestly I think Jennifer Lopez and Mariah might like each other. They have a lot in common. Kind of like how Joan and Betty might have also been best friends if they hadn't been put in competition with each other.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 14:48)


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In your feelings / Imperfect (111,838) by Giovanni from USA

I don't know about y'all but "In your feelings" reminds so much of MOAIA. I used to hate that album but now I've come to like it. What always bothered me was the song "Imperfect" not making the album. It definitely deserved to be there.

(Monday 13 October 2025; 09:12)

Jesus I do (111,837) by Giovanni from USA

I hope those who like the song will stream it as much as you can on Spotify as I do. The fact that it's currently at #5 on the Gospel chart is amazing. I hope the song reaches number one and is nominated for a Grammy. Kirk Franklin is a Gospel legend with 20 Grammys to his name which is pretty impressive. I would love for Mariah to work with him. I enjoy their Christmas song with Khalid "Fall in love at Christmas".
(Monday 13 October 2025; 09:01)

Covers albums (111,836) by Dove from United States

I love the covers album idea Lara. Mariah's songs are beautiful but they have the same themes for the most part. When she covers other people's songs, it's refreshing. She takes them to another place. I would prefer if she covered older songs though. In my opinion older songs were better.

(Other than Taylor Swift because she has a large fan base whom I think would listen to it out of curiosity and be introduced to her voice. Nothing from the new album though. I would choose My Tears Ricochet.)

I know it's not her musical preference but for the covers album I think she should do some standards and classics. Because they're more mainstream and a larger audience would be receptive, I think. Since she doesn't have to write them, she can save her mental power for the kind of songs she wants to do on her next album.

Also included on the covers album should be the live performances of: If Only You Knew/Somewhere Over the Rainbow, You and I, and With You I'm Born Again as bonus tracks. I like her cover of Happy Birthday to Muhammad Ali too. I know she could re-sing them, but her voice was different at those times and it's special.

The reason I said to record covers in Jamaica is so that even if they don't come up with any new original material, the trip won't be wasted. They'll have the covers of songs that have already proven to be loved by a lot of people. They're classics for a reason.

They can even do two (or even three) covers albums. One with the songs she's already covered, one with the previously unrecorded standards/classics, and one with R&B classics. Parts I, II, and III. Is it expensive to make CD's? Maybe they can just sell them digitally?

Also, she should record a lot of positive songs that make the world feel better. These are bleak times. I like a lot of songs that Gloria Estefan recorded on her standards album. I think Mariah can do some of those same songs because they have different fan bases, different voices, and they're classics anyway. A lot of people have already covered them.

Embraceable You. What a Wonderful World. Smile (Though Your Heart is Breaking). Young at Heart. This Magic Moment (or something with the word magic in because Mariah is magic). Life is But a Dream. Smoke Gets in Your Eyes. As Time Goes By. Unforgettable. Unchained Melody. I've Told Ev'ry Little Star (by Linda Scott). Beauty School Dropout. Suspicious Minds by Elvis. We Are the Champions by Queen. (I've had this running list in my head for years.)

I always wanted Mariah to cover The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face by Roberta Flack because that song reminds me of when my only child was born. But Leona Lewis already covered it and her singing voice is too similar to Mariah's for Mariah to cover it too.

There's a song by Kari Jobe called Holy Spirit. I really love it. It was my wedding song with my second husband. (My second marriage ended amicably and that's still one of my favorite songs.) It's a duet with her husband. She could sing that one with Trey.

These are just my own personal ideas, of course. It's fun to dream.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 08:56)

Here for it all (111,835) by Giovanni from USA

Is a solid and cohesive album by MC. I'm glad she recorded it and believe she tried her best to promote it. I'm a little disappointed by the sales but at this point Mariah has nothing to prove, is past her prime and I think she's going to keep recording regardless which is fine with me. I can't wait for the next album and I heard she won't wait too long to release it. I think going 7 years without any new music was definitely too long and a mistake. My favorite songs are "Jesus I do", "In your feelings", "Nothing is impossible" and "Here for it all". One thing this album shows is that Mariah still has her pen game and I can't wait for more new songs in the future. I'm very proud of her for still showing us that she's still one of the best music artists and song writers of our time.

(Monday 13 October 2025; 08:50)

My single choices (111,834) by Dove from United States

Yay. I think In Your Feelings is more likely to be featured on playlists.

(Monday 13 October 2025; 08:45)


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Discography needs to be introduced to potential new fans (111,833) by Dove from United States

I made a playlist for two of my friends who are in their 20's to introduce them to Mariah. They said they were surprised she had so many good songs because they had only heard her big hits.

One of them had a long road trip and listened to my whole playlist. She reported back that she liked all of the songs on it except for Don't Stop (Funkin' 4 Jamaica). I can see why, but I still added it because I like it.

Her songs just need to be heard. The songs speak for themselves.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 08:44)

My single choices (111,832) by Dove from United States

I love how Type: Dangerous sounds but I don't love the lyrics. It's not that I have a problem with the lyrics per se. I just don't think she should be blasting her exes on the radio at the age we're at. It rubs me the wrong way.

I would have no problem if those lyrics were a deep cut on the album. That's real. It's relatable. Tommy Mottola and Nick Cannon come off as super likable in interviews and they don't say blatantly negative things about her, ever.

Tommy reminds me of my first ex-husband. Italian and controlling. But I obviously did like him at times, otherwise I wouldn't have married him. Mariah probably feels the same way about Tommy. She's an artist and our feelings are valid. I don't think lyrically that was the best choice for the first big single after being gone for seven years.

I think that's why Infinity rubbed people the wrong way too. People like Nick and probably blamed her for the break up. I like Infinity a lot. I like how the music builds and then releases. Like when we're grieving something. It builds up and then releases only to build back up again. Until we finally do let it go for good.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 08:25)


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Thoughts (111,831) by Edward from USA

"Sugar Sweet" was a solid second single choice. "Play This Song", on the other hand, is flat, it doesn't go anywhere, and there's no real hook or memorable moment. The chemistry between Mariah and Anderson just isn't there. "Leave the Door Open" worked because Bruno and Anderson balanced each other. Anderson's subdued but effective vocals start the song while Bruno's vocals brought the song to life. That spark is completely missing on "Play This Song".

When we were talking about a possible collabo with Bruno Mars, I said Bobby that in case, Mariah would have to vocally bring it to make it work. "In Your Feelings" and "Nothing's Impossible" would've made much stronger third single choices.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 04:46)


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