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Toronto shows (101,796) by Robert-Anthony from United States
Wow. This is my first time seeing this video. MC is really struggling with breath control. She is going to continue performing until she can not do it anymore. We have to accept her effort to maintain her singing career.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 19:07)
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Toronto shows (101,795) by SM from Citizen of the World
I can say what I want when I want. If you don't like something move on. All you people need to grow up, if you are not happy with Mariah why would you waste any of your time posting negative thoughts as if she would change? It does not make sense when you all claim to love someone yet every other post on this board is negative and ripping her apart. Get a life dude find peace within yourself.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 17:53)
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Toronto shows (101,794) by Lee from USA
I agree with you. Besides, if she was stinking up the joint, then why nobody left or screamed about a refund?
(Monday 12 December 2022; 17:50)
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Toronto shows (101,793) by BFF from United States
I think Mariah should take personal responsibility like Linda Ronstadt did and retire from live performing. Ronstadt stopped performing in the late 2000s because she was uncomfortable charging people money to see performances in which she was basically just shouting. Linda Ronstadt has a degenerative condition - progressive supranuclear palsy - that rendered her unable to sing.

As far as we know, Mariah has no such condition and just chooses not to train and exercise her voice and take care of her physical health the way she needs to. The constant lip syncing, the altering of prerecorded tracks to disguise lip syncing, the shout-singing, the mediocre vocal performances are impossible to ignore and are really disrespectful to the people who pay good money for the shows. This would be okay with Janet Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, et cetera who are mostly about choreography, but it's not okay for someone known for singing.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 17:38)
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Toronto shows (101,792) by Edward from USA
Who the [censored] are you to tell him to stop following her? Anybody with decent hearing can tell she's struggling, but really struggling. She's struggling even with songs that are not vocally demanding. "Christmas Time Is in the Air" is a prime example of that.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 16:15)
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Nodules and whistles (101,791) by MC1989 from Spain
Sorry, I said 2020. I meant 2018 in Madrid lol.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 16:05)
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Nodules and whistles (101,790) by Bill from the UK
The thing is her voice got worse every year since 1990. Never thought I'd be praying for 2018 vocals but here I am doing just that. 2023 will be worse than 2022 for all the reasons you mention. The concerts won't stop as it's a lucrative scam. The ticket prices are astronomical and what you get in exchange is lip syncing, pre-records, awful vocals when live, and jibberish in between the songs.

And yes, the squealing she does to prove she can still hit high notes is becoming as excruciating as the finger being stuck in her ear for theatrics.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:28)
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Toronto shows (101,789) by Bill from the UK
I did suspect Away In A Manger was lipped, but held my tongue. But yes, on closer inspection it is very obviously the case. Shame, but I suppose MC knew that performance might get some media attention.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:24)
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Nodules and whistles (101,788) by MC1989 from Spain
Whistles used to be an ornament in her songs, an extra or a plus to her huge voice range and singing abilities. Nowadays the narrative of "I don't remove my nodules because thanks to them I can hit whistle notes" is absurd. But then again, it' s Maria's choice, and I can even understand the fear of going under that kind of surgery. But right now, in these recent years, the whole range has been affected by the nodules, the lack of training and rehearsing, the bad habits and of course age. She even admitted that she doesn't train her voice before concerts during her Masterclass. She said she does a few vocal scales to see if the whistles and the low notes are there and goes singing. That's not that your instrument has become weak due to age or whatever, it's a personal choice of not wanting to warm up and really train on a regular basis. No vocal resting will change that. But hey, Mariah can whistle. Flat whistles that most of the times sound more like high weak screams than whistles. Between the lipped parts she keeps doing these little whistle screams to try to prove that although she lipped, she can hit some similar sound, if we can consider a shout a note.

I'm here because I'm a fan. I'm always hoping to see if she gets better and if she can surprise me. I loved her memoir, The Rarities, some of her recent interviews, because I love Mariah. I spent more money on her than in any other artist I admire. I want her to succeed and to reach number one and I want people to appreciate her legendary catalogue apart from AIWFCIY. But lately I feel a little sad when I see her performing. I don't like people including me, talking about how bad this or that performance was. So why keep the exposure that much? If she can't sing good an entire song without any lipped part, lipped whistles etc, then stop performing, stop singing impossible songs for her current voice.

Mariah can fool a non fan or a recent fan, but she certainly cannot fool fans like me who have been following her for more than 2 decades and have watched every single performance she has done since 1990. I can recognize immediately when she's lipping. And I had come to a point where I didn't mind she was using prerecorded tracks in some parts of certain songs if the rest of the vocal performance was really good. But this year's performances are really mediocres. Nowadays it's so evident when the lipped part comes in, that she can be happy that the thousands of people who pay the astronomic prices for her shows can think those parts are not lipped, and that they can't hear the differences between her 2022 voice and the 1994 voice for instance in Hark The Herald Angels Sing, where the alternation of those 2 different tones is pure cringe for someone who has a good ear.

By the way I've also noticed that her lip synching has become a little more convincing to the general audience because in the recent years she's been using fillers in her face, and though she looks beautiful I also notice a lack of expression in her face. In the past her face muscles revealed very clearly when she was singing live and when not.

I saw her in Madrid in 2020 and even though she lipped the same parts - because basically it's the same show with a few changes - the show was good and her voice sounded strong and beautiful. But 2022 is one of her worst vocal moments from what I've seen this far. Again, I hope she gets better. I will support her upcoming movie or series about her life, I would also love to hear her 1995 version of Someone's Ugly Daughter and her upcoming projects. But I would like her to stop giving these bad performances.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 14:23)
Toronto shows (101,787) by MC1989 from Spain
Amen. My point is that Mariah still has a beautiful tone and can sing in a low and medium register. But the problem is that she lost so much voice that she can't handle her songs from 20 or 30 years ago. She even lips the few verses she sings in Big Energy which aren't difficult. She should abandon those old songs. They will always be classics. No need to be struggling singing them and giving us cringy playbacks. She should only sing songs she can perform 100% live. By the way the beautiful duet with Monroe is prerecorded, so it's cringy to watch a kid doing playback with her mom in the middle of a "live show". If we think for a moment, there's not a single song in her concert that she does 100% live. Not a single one. Not even the few verses and first chorus of Miss You Most which also has some prerecorded parts. There are a few good vocal moments here and there during the show but that's it. I love her forever and I will support her albums and stuff in general but she's not a good live performer anymore, until she proves us wrong.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 13:16)
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Toronto shows (101,786) by Bill from the UK
"My All" was probably the worst I've ever heard her sing. If you can call it that.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 11:58)
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Toronto shows (101,785) by Robert-Anthony from United States
MC is doing the best with her voice that she can do at this stage in her career. I am thinking about all of the singers this month where there have been reports about their vocal cord problems like Martina McBride, Lee Ann Rimes, and Reba McEntire. What do all of these three singers have in common? Age and constant performances.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 03:19)
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Toronto shows (101,784) by SM from Citizen of the World
Then stop following her. All you people that criticize her, move on with your life. No one cares what you think, your opinion will never matter to anyone. Mariah will not change Mariah. Let go, move on, do whatever it is you gotta do, find peace with yourself because this [censored] is getting old, again Mariah is Mariah and she will never ever change for you or anybody else, get it in your heads.
(Monday 12 December 2022; 01:25)
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Never Have I Ever (101,783) by jaker20 from US
I just saw S1 and one of the characters mentioned Mariah's perfume and so I bought it and I loved it. Smells so good. Lol.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 20:15)
Toronto shows (101,782) by Terna from Nigeria
Watching the clips, [one] can tell she's really struggling to put on a "singing" show but her voice is really not having it, so she talk sings or alters the melody. I really wish Mariah would get professional help. Now she's also having lower range issues as seen in the "Emotions" and "My All" clips with the unintentional vocal breaks. Another thing I noticed is the repertoire itself isn't the best for a singer her age seeing as it was written "16 to 25 minutes ago", she's missing a lot of qualities that were there before which enabled her sing so well – [agility], fluid and seamless registers, stamina in terms of youth etc just the ease of singing she once had in [general] which was an amalgamation of all these factors and more working hand in hand. It's [sad] to see the last of the two true [divas] struggling; with Celine and her health issues and Mariah and her waning instrument.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46)
Mariah duet with Monroe (101,781) by MusicfanJ from Germany
So sweet. They looked like two angels. What a nice surprise on stage. They sound beautiful together. It really warms the heart. Thanks for posting it.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 12:36)
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Mariah on Colbert (101,780) by TJ from Norway
How old are you? 11?
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 08:41)
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Mariah duet with Monroe (101,779) by Stacey from USA
I'd love to hear a clip without the guy yelling, lol. But I am loving the clips shown so far. Gosh, I'd love a live version, even a shortened one of MYM. Definitely an overlooked but not forgotten gem from MC album.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 05:01)
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Miss You Most (At Christmas Time) (101,778) by enwar00 from usa
Matty that's awesome to hear. So glad you and your friends had that experience, thank you for sharing. Magical is such a perfect word to describe it all. I've been stuck at home with COVID this past week (blessed and lucky with very mild symptoms) but it gave me time to decorate for Christmas. Merry Christmas and MCIIY have been the soundtracks, and I really feel something magical that comes through, something extra special from the rest of her amazing catalogue. About to put on the All I Want For Christmas Is You movie and keep working on the tree.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 02:07)
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Mariah duet with Monroe (101,777) by Robert-Anthony from United States
Their duet was so sweet. I have watched it like six times. Imagine when Monroe is 20 years old.
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 01:50)
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Mariah duet with Monroe (101,776) by Bill from the UK
Wow, Monroe's voice is lovely. Very sweet and pleasant tone she has. That was a really cute duet between them. I hope it makes it onto the next Christmas album.
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 22:23)
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The clips you all are posting (101,775) by Randy from USA
Sound amazing. I wasn't excited for the Christmas special until now. Maybe we will get a show sung at least 75% live.
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 20:43)
Miss You Most (At Christmas Time) (101,774) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
She sound like perfection last night, I can't believe how amazing she was. My friend had tears running down her face the entire show. It was a truly magical and stunning night.
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 18:57)
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The magic starts tonight (101,773) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
Unbelievable. The house was packed and absolutely on fire. The set list was a mix of the hits and Christmas which was brilliant. Trey, Monroe and Roc all had their own segments in the concert. Jermaine Dupri was in the audience. The choir, the dancer, the ensembles, amazing. Tanaka was serving sexy. It was unforgettable. I'm still dying and crying, and trying to resuscitate myself.
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 17:57)
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Mariah duet with Monroe (101,772) by Edward from USA
Mariah and Monroe had a cute duet on her Christmas Show. I think Monroe can sing.
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 17:53)

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