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It's a wrap for you baby challenge TikTok (102,077) by 123 from USA While you all argue over the definition of primary, joint, sole custody, 6 baby mamas, nonsense and drama, [It's a wrap] is going viral on [TikTok]. Kinds [sic] have discovered the song and made a dance to it. Someone mortified Mariah on Twitter and she even has her own [TikTok] up. What do you all think, a nice bump in streams or a possible top 10 hit a la Steve's [Lacy bad habits viral]? (Monday 16 January 2023; 01:16)

Re: Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) (101,383) by 123 from USA I love the mash up too Stacy. It's brilliant. I also like how she incorporated Big Energy. Her set list is more youthful and upbeat. I like the new WBT version. I'm also not caring about pre records and shaky vocals. I will say I like the new ones in her current voice. I will say that her current live midrange sounded very Rainbowish in her tone. She sounds better live than in some of her recent recordings where she sounds like a chipmunk on the high parts. Bring on the projects. (Saturday 1 October 2022; 18:46)

Re: Global Citizen (101,300) (101,308) by 123 from USA Here is a clip of her rehearsal. Spoiler alert as she did some interesting changes/mash up. Her voice sounds pretty good for as much as Mariah in 2022 can muster. Interested in watching the performance now. (Saturday 24 September 2022; 04:16)

Re: I Stay In Love (101,298) (101,304) by 123 from USA I love this song. It's my favorite from the album and should have been the second single instead the trite Bye Bye. Bye Bye hit #20 solely based on the success of TMB. Had she released I Stay In Love as the second single while she was still doing promotion before she disappeared after her wedding it would have went number #1. I know people on this board hate it and call it a WBT clone, but every non lamb I play it for loves it and asks what album it's from and why she didn't release it. The label halfheartedly threw it out there during the fall with one performance and no radio adds or budget. Such a shame. That album was full of radio friendly songs that went to waste. (Friday 23 September 2022; 20:17)

Rolling Stone Butterfly interview (101,279) by 123 from USA The Rolling Stone Butterfly interview was really good. I loved how she dived into the creation of the songs and how the interviewer noticed that it was Mariah who would lead Walter into a more R&B/Gospel/Soul leaning sound than his work with other artists, like a Celine Dion. I appreciate that even though he has publicly spoken poorly of her, she still speaks highly of him and gives him his flowers. Per this interview we can confirm that Walter was the second producer during the butter knife incident. I liked the bonus story at the end about her experience with weed brownies and how she almost thought she made a mistake with her then experimental approach to Breakdown. Here is the link for those that want to hear it. (Wednesday 21 September 2022; 02:41)

Re: The 8 "new" tracks (101,219) (101,238) by 123 from USA I only cared for The Roof feat Brandy and 4th of July Acapella. I never recalled cared for 4th of July, but I heard the isolated vocals and loved all the hidden layers and vocals. It’s better without the music. The other tracks are filler. Wished she would have put more into this anniversary and tacked on Head Over Heels and Last Chance with her vocals. That would have made the purchase worth it. Not purchasing but have streamed. For the nostalgia - lol. (Saturday 17 September 2022; 01:48)

New projects (101,237) by 123 from USA Interesting interview. So she still has multiple projects in the works. The Butterfly Lounge is still coming but not finished. A soundtrack that will go with her visual adaptation to her book. Here I thought she abandoned everything. Looks like she is still not done. (Saturday 17 September 2022; 01:44)

Re: New music (101,106) (101,109) by 123 from USA I think she's pregnant. Maybe I'm wrong. In the last pics I saw of her, every single one she is using something to cover her stomach. In one pic you can see Tanaka hand her a fan. It would make sense since everything stopped all of a sudden. All these hints to something coming in late March/April and then radio silence. If she is, congrats to her, if not, hopefully we will get some new music next year, because it doesn't seem like anything other than Christmas merch is coming our way this year. (Wednesday 31 August 2022; 04:07)

Re: Mariah and Luis duet (101,018) (101,021) by 123 from USA I agree Bill that the song may have been After Tonight. David Foster produced that one and Diane Warren helped co-write it. I would have loved to be a fly in the wall to see Luis Miguel confronted David Foster about the auto tune and flat out cancel the duet. I also think they when that idea fizzled out it was the same song Mariah asked Toni to duet on Rainbow and Toni ending up having to turn her down as it was during her label issues with Arista. (Tuesday 23 August 2022; 04:27)

Re: Mariah and Luis duet (101,015) (101,017) by 123 from USA The Whitney/Enrique duet was really good. Such a romantic song. It fit both of their voices. From Luis Miguel's TV series on his life, he was having vocal issues when recording the duet. The song didn't really seem suitable for his voice (per the show he was also drinking during the session which is death to the chords). Mariah told him he sounded flat, which sent him into a tailspin. Mariah and David Foster were talking in the booth, it's assumed they discussed using auto tune to "fix" the flaws. When Luis heard the final product he noticed and laid into David Foster (who is a very arrogant producer). Years later Luis released the duet and replaced Mariah with Celine. The shade. Here is a clip from the show. (Monday 22 August 2022; 20:44)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey's Atlanta home burglarized (100,980) (100,982) by 123 from USA A lot of celebrities in Atlanta have been robbed lately. I wish her team would have noticed a trend and tightened up security. Might be an inside job. Glad they weren't there when it happened. I hope nothing irreplaceable was taken. I'd feel bad if they took her plaques or awards. (Monday 15 August 2022; 18:15)

Re: Is something going on? (100,917) (100,936) by 123 from USA She fluctuates in weight rapidly. In April right before the Masterclass she seemed to be in great shape sitting in the pool in that skin tight red dress. She hinted towards a project coming out at the end of April (possibly the Butterfly Room). I think something happened that put a stop to her releasing the project. Something beyond her control. I think she spiraled into depression and indulged in stress eating, especially if the powers that be put a stop to the release of her new project. I hope she takes care of herself. It’s too bad that labels will only invest in her Christmas music/projects. (Monday 8 August 2022; 16:20)

Re:#Butterfly25 (100,870) (100,871) by 123 from USA From an interview Mariah did there are no leftovers from Butterfly. She said she used everything she created for the album. She might redo it with duets like she did with [The Roof]. It might be interesting depending on who she duets with and how she restructures the songs. Even if it sounds bad, it will come and go and we always have the original album to listen to. (Monday 1 August 2022; 02:53)

Re: MC hurry up (100,848) (100,852) by 123 from USA I’ve been listening to the [My all] ep and watching the live performances on [SNL] and the Rosie O’Donnell show (Saturday 30 July 2022; 06:06)

Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,835) (100,837) by 123 from USA I agree with you on the lyrics. It’s on par with Butterfly. I always thought of Charmbracelet as Butterfly part 2. Or maybe the bookend of what Butterfly started with the whispery vocals and personal lyrics to the songs she wrote. (Tuesday 26 July 2022; 18:53)

Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,807) (100,821) by 123 from USA The single choices and the whisper vocals. Ballads were out of fashion when [Through the rain] came out here in the States. It was all about the r&b and hip hop collabs in 2002, which is funny because she helped popularize it in 95. [...] This was the peak of this formula. The record company should have went with "You got me" as the first single. It was up tempo, the guitar riff was infectious, and it had Jay [Z] on it. The second single should have been Clown to capitalize on the Eminem beef. It would have been played out of sheer curiosity. When TTR and BOTHB were seldomly played, both times the radio DJ stopped the songs mid way and said, I love Mariah but her songs are two [sic] slow and old fashioned. Damn. (Monday 25 July 2022; 18:43)

Re: Some trivia for you (100,648) (100,660) by 123 from USA Oooh Roberto Antonio I'm in Chicago now. Tell us more about this man you moved there for. (Tuesday 5 July 2022; 21:05)

Re: GOATS and Lambs (100,635) (100,640) by 123 from USA I'm an OG lamb from Vision of Love days. I've spend endless amounts of time and money towards my love for this lady's music. But not all of us OGs are going to come on here and bash her saying she's an embarrassment and why won't she use her money and resources to get help. That's all some fans do. Bash what's left of this lady and kick her while she is down. And claiming that they do so because they've been there from the beginning is just BS. Not everyone feels that way that is an OG. I rather celebrate what's left and pray she pulls herself out of whatever she is struggling with. She's 50, which is around the same age that Whitney died (48), Michael (50) and Prince who almost made it to 60 (57). If she continues down this path, she doesn't have much time left. Why not pray for her, wish her well. I guess do what you want, but not all OG fans feel the same way. (Saturday 2 July 2022; 05:49)

Re: BET performance (100,587) (100,589) by 123 from USA Why did she sound better than the record? I wish it was longer. (Monday 27 June 2022; 16:41)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,495) (100,503) by 123 from USA Randy. I'm happy that you were strong enough to get yourself through alcoholism and mental illness. Not everyone is that strong. When you were at your very bottom of your addiction and your illness, would it have helped having a bunch of people judge you and tell you that you know better. Or would someone with a kind and open heart offering to pray for you and giving you words of motivation and encouragement a better solution. Would it had helped if everyone gave up on you because "you knew better?" It's obvious that you surround yourself with negative people and your heartless post is proof of that. A "friend" gleefully sending you a video of someone in a very bad place sounds like toxic energy I would never have around me in this day in age. I protect my peace. Had I been as petty and childish as that Beyoncé fan, I would have sent all of Billboards top ten listings since 2006 because she's been missing the list since her sophomore album. Someone put her on the back of a milk carton. And to bring up who you know is still on here, but playing dumb to cover for him. No one's convinced. I would never align myself with someone who asks the poster that gave Mariah his grandmothers diamond necklace for their e-mail only to reveal a private interaction between them on this board when it's obvious that kid had mental health issues just to embarrass him and for likes. That's gotta be a new kind of low. Nope, I'm not interested in kicking anyone when their [sic] down. And I refuse to align myself with toxic people. I refuse to go backwards and surround myself with people who live on a low frequency and find joy seeing others in a low point in their life. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 06:25)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,498) (100,502) by 123 from USA Stacey. When I look in the mirror I look great love. So your read fell flat. More importantly, I have compassion inside seeing someone on a stage who is obviously in a very bad place. The last time she had gained this much weight, disheveled, and displayed a mixture of alcohol and pills was that stupid tour she had to do since MIAM flopped so that the record company could recoup the money they invested in financing that project. I was positive we were going to lose her then. Then again during her Stella years. I don't put this lady on a pedestal nor do I crucify her poor choices. I pray for her. That God helps her find the strength that she has written about from her faith to pull through, because, one day, she will succumb to her vices, and not be with us anymore. I would hate to see that happen to someone whose lyrics brought so much joy and strength to get me through some dark times. Times I'm glad I spent dealing with alone without judgement from the righteous. God bless you. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 06:02)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,491) (100,501) by 123 from USA Edward really? Now a medical diagnosis is an excuse. How about praying for her? How about saying, something is seriously wrong here. How about alcoholism and mixing it with meds is a recipe for disaster. How about, she's backsliding into dangerous territory when she was managed by Crustella. Every grown adult knows better. Yet, we lose people everyday to alcoholism, mental illness, and mixing pills with alcohol. I pray that Mariah gets clean. That she goes to rehab and goes back to her Bible studies and stays true to what she learned when she took her intensive courses and God made the impossible happen and blessed her with a second run at the top in 2005. Something is not right. Instead of judging her, I'm going to pray for her. I don't know her at all and it's obvious she is far from the watered down image Sony sold us. I would hate to wake up tomorrow reading that the lady whose music brought me so much joy died succumbing to addiction. Michael, Whitney, Prince. It's sad that losing "stars" to their addiction is so common. If I was in the throws of addiction. I would hate to have any judgmental people around. Thank God I have a family firm in the faith that would use all their spiritual armor to pray to God that I pull out of it. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 05:33)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,491) (100,500) by 123 from USA I had a very close family member with mental health issues. She went back and forth for years taking her meds. It was a horrible battle and we had to get involved many times. Not everyone is strong enough to do it on their own. Many people relapse. Many people don't make it. It's painful to see her like that. But y'all crucify the lady. She's 50, way past her prime and is still among us. Michael, Prince, and Whitney all died succumbing to their substance abuse. If the same happens to her, you all going to come here and bash her, saying she deserves it. I don't hear any of their fans bashing them for their life choices or their flaws. These artists are human, not God. Lambs are the only ones critical of this lady, wishing for comebacks that are not going to happen. Instead of bashing her, why not pray for her. All I see is judgement. "She has all this money, all these resources." Rich people are some of the saddest people in the world. Money doesn't solve everything, but God can. Not a single prayer for this lady. If she passes an untimely death, please keep your crocodile tears. God, not money, is the answer. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you will be judged." Matthew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added on to you." (Saturday 18 June 2022; 05:20)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,484) (100,485) by 123 from USA What is a manic episode in bipolar disorder? In the manic phase of bipolar disorder, it's common to experience feelings of heightened energy, creativity, and euphoria. If you're experiencing a manic episode, you may talk a mile a minute, sleep very little, and be hyperactive. You may also feel like you're all-powerful, invincible, or destined for greatness. (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:20)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,481) (100,483) by 123 from USA Are people that hateful to not realize that she was obviously having a manic episode while on stage? This is classic bipolar behavior. Mariah has two modes. When she is coherent and taking her meds and they are working, we get speeches like the Billboard one. When her bipolar disorder kicks in, we get the speech she gave at the SWHOF. Please educate yourselves and google manic episode in google for bipolar disorder. Do you all think that this is something that just went away when she was diagnosed in 2001? Are we really judging someone's behavior due to their mental health disorder? So rich coming from "fans" who claim to be educated and faultless. Do better, be better. Stop trolling and judging for thumbs up on a fan board. It's childish and shows some of you are "eternally 12" mentally. Mariah's bipolar. A real medical condition. What is your excuse? (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:09)

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