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About Tony Lorenzo from UK: Mariah's ACTUAL LITERAL NUMBER ONE FAN

2005 (112,493) by Tony Lorenzo from UK I think we should all get over the business side of her career now. She has done it all. She's been on top of the charts more than anyone else in history. She has an exquisite back catalogue that she can perform whenever she likes throughout the year which she also owns the masters to. She has her yearly Christmas show. She is widely seen as a legend. What more can she and we ask for? Do we need her try and compete with the youngsters, who also sometimes deserve their time in the spotlight? Do we want her compromising on her sound so the music is "current" but not really her? She is now at the stage where she can, and needs to, sit back, survey her career with glee, and enjoy her leisure time. She's got two beautiful children, one of whom apparently wants to join the singing business, meaning Mariah can mentor her and do what she can for the success of her next generation. I don't think we fans can expect any more of her. She brings out a new album for her die-hard fans and it matters not how it charts. We should be on the floor praising the Lord that she has bothered to bring out new music for us, when she absolutely doesn't need to any more. Mariah has given us so so much. An ouvre that she and we can be deeply proud of and go back to again and again, a timeless catalogue of stunning hits and exquisite vocals. Her recent performances have come despite all of the grief from her personal life, and despite her mental health, which due to bipolar's nature will only progressively get more difficult to deal with. She is doing the most, for us, and what I want to tell Mariah, that woman who we should be so amazed to have been around to witness in her prime, is rest. Do not worry about your career, stop performing when you don't want to. Pop up a couple of times a year to keep the money you fully deserve rolling in, to sing your hits , knowing you have a solid fanbase who will always turn out for you when you're in town. Celebrate the Christmas period with us, then go back and hibernate, help dem babies with whatever they have going on, and never think for a second that because you might be being quiet, your status as a legend is in any doubt. Those of us trying to strategize how to keep her in the headlines and at the top of the charts are just applying unnecessary pressure on her, making her think she's got to keep up the insane work ethic lest we all disappear. We need to just enjoy what she has already achieved, and allow her to spend the rest of her life lounging on the beach and popping up now and again. I would personally enjoy some more writing for another book. Perhaps one delving into her music catalogue, with the stories behind them and their recording, her take on some of the fabulous moments in her career like Divas Live with Aretha, or her first ever performance when she sings America the Beautiful to the sports stars, etc. We'd all love to know more about her from the perspective of her music, now she has already given us her perspective on her personal life and history. We want info on the music now. I also would definitely not object to a concept album where she sings jazz standards, or sings over some amazing dance music. Mariah over some hot current beats. Basically using her voice in different ways, as it is an instrument. Basically just flirting with whatever bits and bobs she likes, with zero pressure. It's what Mariah deserves. We should all be thankful that she is still here to receive her flowers and enjoy this stage of life, given how many of our stars pass away before they get to reflect on their careers. I shall shut up now. Not criticising you, merely advocating for us to stop thinking Mariah needs to do any more than she has. Mariah has had a stellar career and I can't understand why people want even more from her. Can we not just enjoy what we already have and stop pressuring her for even more? (Monday 24 November 2025; 18:07) this is a reply to message 112,481

2005 (112,481) by Bobby A from United States I think he couldn't reinvent MC's career now being out of her life for so long. MC needs an up and coming business-minded CEO to manage her career. The music business is really challenging for a lot of R&B artists right now because they have managers who are not marketing the whole artist anymore. Their mindset today is to release a couple of singles for streaming success and then drop the album one year later hoping for huge album numbers. Summer Walker's Finally Over It is really suffering from this business strategy. (Monday 24 November 2025; 12:52)

Recent falsetto (111,414) by Tony Lorenzo from UK This is what is going on with Mariah's voice. Firstly, her pitch is as always, technically perfect which enables her to sing in different keys while staying melodious. Her problem in her latter years has been breath control. She doesn't take in enough oxygen (and wears tight clothes that constrict her chest) these days to sustain notes and sing with power. I think she just needs to do lots of breathwork to improve her oxygen capacity and she'd be back to normal. Mariah's "loss of breath control" is still leagues above the vast majority of singers though. She's lucky her voice just sounds nice too. Many people can technically sing but their voices don't sounf pleasant. Thinking of for example Christina Aguilera. (Tuesday 23 September 2025; 23:38) this is a reply to message 111,407

Recent falsetto (111,407) by Lee from UK This may have already been discussed here but I haven't seen it in my search. What is up with Mariah's falsetto this era? Like on Sugar Sweet; the few lines before the chorus that begin "Hate it when you have to leave..." sound so unpleasant, especially on the pre-recorded live vocals version she used at Brighton, Sandrigham, VMA and iHeart performances. I have said this before but even on non-falsetto notes, there is something about her vowel sounds on the upper notes that sounds painful. Mariah's voice used to sound full and mature, she used to sing like a woman beyond her years with resonance, now she has gone the opposite way. There is something child-like about how she sings now and it doesn't sound as full as it once did. I'm not describing this at my best but I'm hoping there are vocalists here who understand what I'm trying to say and can hazard a technical explanation of the difference i'm hearing as a non-singer. It sounds like all the vocals are coming from her throat/nose area as opposed to her chest and when she is belting, it sounds the same just louder. (Tuesday 23 September 2025; 10:47)

Type immature (109,177) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Go away. (Sunday 8 June 2025; 13:10) this is a reply to message 109,176

Type immature (109,176) by Lee from UK I actually really like the melody of Type Dangerous but the lyrics feel tired. Why is Mariah name dropping designer labels in her songs at this point in her career. To me, this is immature and lazy song writing. I hope the rest of MC16 gives us lyrics with more substance.There is no way Mariah can perform this song live, we all know she struggles with breath control and these lyrics are delivered too quickly for Mariah to perform live. The only way she'll manage it is if she has backing singers deliver every other line as in Make it Happen. (Sunday 8 June 2025; 10:23)

Song length (109,139) by Tony Lorenzo from UK A few people are saying that the song is a bit too short. Firstly, great. Leaving people wanting more means the song is great. Secondly, I am wondering if it is purposely short because this song is absolutely ripe for guest rappers. It screams a remix with a verse by one of the hottest rappers out today. I'd love Doechii, or Kendrick, as have been mentioned. Or she could throw back and bring on someone like Brat or even Jay Z. I would not be surprised if someone big jumps on the track. It may not have even been done yet, they could be waiting to see how the song hits, because if it hits big, bigger current artist labels should be more likely to allow their artist to be associated with it. What I am so pleased about is how what we appear to be witnessing is an intention for a proper Mariah renaissance. This type of narrative is always a beautiful one that makes everyone feel good a legendary artist coming back with more hits after being written off. Mariah doing that twice would be iconic and it would be fitting. Her whole team needs to be laser-focused, willing to put in money, effort and time, and the industry, from the music apps to the radio stations, should get behind her and support this. Not just because it's Mariah but because she had just proven she has still got it. She's done and doing her part. And all of her fans should be laser-focused too. Push this song on your friends and family, play it on repeat. (You want to anyway. I've almost learned all the lyrics now having been listening to it all day long literally and not because I want it to hit number 1 though duh but because it is a damned good song.) It's a bit of a weird silly emotion to feel about someone you don't actually know and haven't done anything yourself to aid the greatness, but the overriding feeling I have towards Mariah is pride. I'm happy to have her as my ride or die musician, and she keeps proving me right. I wish her all the success. Universe, Make It Happen. I'd give My All for her to Fly Luke a Bird to the top again. Okay cheese over. (Saturday 7 June 2025; 04:10)

Type? Mariah (109,097) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Ha. I wish I was him. My ultimate career would be backing Mariah. (Friday 6 June 2025; 12:45) this is a reply to message 109,096

Type? Mariah (109,096) by Tevin from USA I don't know why I just read your name as Trey Lorenz. I have to stop reading message boards so early in the morning. Lol. (Friday 6 June 2025; 12:29)

Type? Mariah (109,081) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Ecstatic. Fresh, original, yet quintessential Matiah, who is her own genre. I've always preferred her hiphop/rnb joints to her ballads, and she's leant into the genre on steroids. Amazing music that features her silky voice but with no need to wrap them around overly difficult melismas etc. I've been saying forever that she should ditch balladeering and utilise her vocals on stuff like this, and jazz, club tracks. Her lyricism is too good to be held back by the need to be belting all the time, especially when that style of singing gets increasingly hard the longer you do it. Her main strengths, even in the era of stuff like My All and her incredible ballads, was never her voice, which sounds absolutely crazy because she was unsurpassed vocally, with only one real peer in Whitney. It not being her main strength is not to denigrate her voice at all. It's just that her lyric writing, and her production skills are even better. Her song construction, her melody-writing, her wit... these things are what make Mariah Mariah. In some ways her vocals being so good have been responsible for her continued underrating. People focus on the vocals and high notes and miss the intricacy of her construction. You don't lose those skills, they improve. Hence the need for new music, despite her vocals having reached their peak a while back. She can still sing but perhaps doesn't feel like she needs to fall back on the voice as much any more so she can hit us with bops for the club, which are always the best songs on any of her albums. The chorus on this track is a slice of sonic bliss. Her rapping is perfect. The references are there. Based on this track, I'm anticipating yet another major renaissance for her, akin to Emancipation. She should with the strength of this, if kept up, be able to clock another couple of chart toppers. 20 has the perfect ring to it. And wouldn't she deserve it? Imagine what a beautiful narrative for someone's career that would make? The industry chooses who to focus on and blow up, just like it chooses who to ignore, or finish off when its decided their time's up. Well Mariah is proving her time aint up. The music industry should support this rebirth. Let Mariah bask in icon status like she literally deserves. Because these young guns thinking she only sings about Christmas need to know why she was one of the top musicians stretching over three (at least) generations. She is timeless. I pray the radio supports based purely on its quality. I don't fully understand how best to market music these days, but radio stations should be bussin this out every day. Yes there will be a cohort of old fans complaining it aint Hero Two. I could not be more dare I say it proud, and excited, and happy with this track. It had better be the launch for the fully deserved renaissance. She did it before, she can do it again, so long as the industry plays fair. (Friday 6 June 2025; 07:36)

Lol (108,806) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Great fan you are. No appreciation for her age. Would you expect [Muhammed Ali] to get back in the ring bow and win? Mariah was at the very top vocally, for years. You can't stay there forever. No appreciation for her bipolar. Or the fact she has kids now and thus more important things to think about than whether people like you will criticise her performances. She's the queen and always will be. I cant wait to see her show this summer. It's about the camaraderie with other fans, and the music, which we all sing along too more than stand there listening to whether her vocals are perfect. Leave her alone and take the negativity elsewhere. (Wednesday 21 May 2025; 22:36) this is a reply to message 108,793

Lol (108,793) by Edward from USA I wouldn't even take a free ticket to one of Mariah's concerts these days, not with how she's been performing over the past few years. I've had the privilege of seeing her several times, and every show was magical. But this current version? No, thank you. What really gets me is that she has every resource at her disposal to take care of her voice and maintain at least a decent level of quality and range, but like you said, she should've taken it seriously a long time ago. Especially when her voice is really all she brings to the stage. To me, it feels like a lack of respect, just standing there, barely moving, showing no emotion and no soul at all. She's become more of a statue than a performer. I'm worried that by the time the booing begins, there won't be any way back for her. (Wednesday 21 May 2025; 02:18)

Article: Mariah spent Mother's Day weekend in Westchester (106,429) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Actually Mariah's mother doesn't live in Westchester any more. She lives in a retirement home in Florida. Mariah sold the Westchester house. They don't get along for all the reasons stated in the book. And more. Mariah tried to paint a picture-perfect view of her family in the early days yo maintain a care-free crossover image that wasn't threatening to middle America. Over time, she cared less about that, particularly after Allison sold stories, and particularly after she had her own children which made her reassess her own childhood disfavourably. (Friday 17 May 2024; 23:45) this is a reply to message 106,418

Article: Mariah spent Mother's Day weekend in Westchester (106,418) by Chicago Lamb from USA Mariah must have visited her mother Patricia. This warms my heart, glad the kids get to see her. (Thursday 16 May 2024; 14:26)

Why Mariah Matters (106,415) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Just in case people don't know, and I havent seen it mentioned but may have missed it, there is a new book out called Why Mariah Carey Matters. It is a scholarly, deeply intelligent deep dive into Mariah, her songs, her lyrics, producing and songwriting, her place in the musical pantheon, what she means to the lambs and the gay community as well as to tge music industry. It is written with deep analysis and great thought. It is personal, and it's the first time anyone has got the essence of Mariah down to a tee. You will all have many flashes of recognition and feel like he is reading your mind. It is a powerful book and you all need to read it if you are fans. It is probably the most important document on Mariah Carey there is beyond her own memoir. In some ways it is more enjoyable than her memoir because it is a serious analysis of her rather than descriptive history of events. Mstiah can't say the same things this man Andrew Chan can because she's too humble. The best thing about the book is that it doesnt seek to sycophantically praise her as some sort of perfect deity who can do no wrong. He provides a fair assessment of her, soberly. Thankfully he hold her in such esteem that not much negative can be said, but you get the impression he's just speaking the truth with great honesty Drop everything and read this book. It's not stupidly long but is in-depth. And if anyone has any kind of access to Mariah or her team, you need to point them in this book's direction. Mariah deserves to read this stuff and know how important she is and how many people totally get her. If you don't read this book you have missed out on some profound Mariah commentary. I would be doing Mariah a disservice by not encouraging people to read it. (Thursday 16 May 2024; 00:49)

More Taylor (106,308) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Sorry if I came off aggressive. I just hate that Taylor had been brought up here, as though there is any need for even the comparison. Countless singers write their own songs. Bringing them into the convo together compares the two by default, and I find that is an insult to Mariah. The main reason Taylor is where she is lets be honest, is white supremacy. She is being lionised and lovesd cynically by a bunch of adults in the media industry, when in fact she's a singer for teenybopping teenage girls who does not deserve to be taken as seriously as she is. She fits their model of skinny, blonde and white and is thus the perfect emblem, talent or no talent. They basically use her to bring Beyonce down a peg or two. Beyonce is the biggest star of the moment in terms of talent and output, and they are pushing Taylor to get her sales and revenue to surpass Beyonce so that we can't say a black woman is the biggest star on earth. It is disingenuous and obvious, and I would expect more people to have seen through it. Beyonce's tour sells in record numbers so they do everything they can to hype Swift so that her numbers are bigger. They won't allow a black woman to be on "top" and to push that into our faces, they've made sure the new star represents everything they say is the standard of excellence. When we can all see and hear how utterly ridiculous it is. It is a form of gaslighting. Taylor Swift is one of the most mediocre artists I've ever heard. The lyrics are basic and for little girls to pretend they have dramatic relationships they don't actually have, her voice is no better than completely average, and barely that. She can't dance. Her chords are badic, but they ser the benefit in showing her with the guitar because it adds authenticity and cements that she is a "musician". Fine. But a mediocre one. That is why even bringing her up on a Mariah message board annoys me. We're talking about one of the literal greatest artists of all time and then dragging her down with reference to someone who is just being used to gaslight everyone especially black people. They are so fsr removed from each other that even vaguely acknowledging Swift is a writer is annoying. Lastly, Beyonce writes more of her lyrics than you think. We should know as music lovers rhar RnB is renowned for samping, both words and sounds. These samples have to be credited. Beyonce uses many samples. That does not mean she doesn't write lyrics. It just means that multiple people get a credit on a song, if she merely uses a word or line or production sound from another song. Black music has always had a referential element to it. We can't say Beyonce isn't a proper curator of her own music just because she samples a lot. We know this because she had a specific sound herself across all her music. If it was the case everyone else wrote her stuff and she merely added a word her collection if music would sound sound radically eclectic, and it doesn't. Beyonce is very clearly there in all her music. To denigrate her while conceding Swift is a writer is to me insane and proof that media manipulation works on simple minds. Sorry. (Sunday 28 April 2024; 06:40)

Taylor (106,295) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Who has the audacity to put Taylor Swift in the same sentence as Mariah Carey? Cease and desist. They are not in the same league. Mariah changed music, and is her own genre that people then copied. Vocally let's not even go there because even saying Taylor could never elevates Taylor to a height she does not deserve by mere comparison. It's laughable to refer to them together in any capacity. (Thursday 25 April 2024; 22:58)

Article: Mariah's residency is a retrospective, and a gift to fans (106,294) by Tony Lorenzo from UK A wonderful review for our queen. Mariah, if you're reading this, we are begging for another album. You aint finished yet. We love retrospectiveriah, but you've got much more new music in you. As the soundtrack to our lives, we need more. Perhaps an album of jazz covers with a few original tracks? That'd be wow. (Thursday 25 April 2024; 22:53)

Vocals (106,188) by Tony Lorenzo from UK Can we all stop complaining about the vocals? She can still sing. These are the issues: 1.) Too-tight clothes 2.) Breath control And they are tied together. Mariah still had the voice, she had just got to use a vocal coach to figure out the breath control she used to have. She should not be too big to think she could do with a vocal coach. Once she works out how to keep her breath in a new, older body, she will be back on top vocally. She'll have extra rasp but will still sound amazing, if not better. By the way have ya'll read Why Mariah Carey Matters? That will definitely shut up all the complaining. (Tuesday 16 April 2024; 03:07)