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Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,390) (101,399) by Libra Lamb from USA
It's not that deep. Religion obviously means a lot to you Terna, but it doesn't mean that much to others. As a spiritual person, I believe in a higher being, but I don't think someone's opinion or statement is enough to worry about and get upset over. If anything, let others have their own opinions and let them worry about it when, and if, Jesus Christ comes back to judge them. You can't tell others what to think and what to say, we all have the right to believe and say whatever we want about religion or spirituality. I personally believe that religion is something that man invented to control others and profit off of their fears. Example the Catholic Church. Am I to burn at the stake too for my beliefs? I think not. I'm still a person who has good and evil inside, just like everyone else in the world. I would worry about the "blasphemy" and keep living my life focused on myself and how to improve as a human being. But, we love everyone.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 20:04)
Re: Just another Side Effects (101,396) (101,398) by BFF from United States
I remember that. I love Joni Mitchell, and I actually really like a lot of the songs on "Misses".
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 19:33)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,393) (101,397) by Edward from USA
Should we crucify you or burn you at the stake?
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 17:28)
Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,396) by Bill from the UK
It's funny you say that, Joni Mitchell had a greatest hits album called Hits, but she insisted it could only be issued if a sister album, Misses, was also released at the same time. Misses contained all her flops haha.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 16:44)
Re: Just another Side Effects (101,394) (101,395) by BFF from United States
What about "Triumphlop"? Or Mariah's best music video of all-time "I Don't"?

I think Mariah should release a compilation album called "Greatest Flops" just for us fans.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 15:43)
Re: Just another Side Effects (101,391) (101,394) by Bill from the UK
Mariah fans: Wow, Crapfinity was really terrible. I think this is the most awful thing Mariah's ever done, she can't possibly come up with anything worse.

Why You Mad has entered the chat.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 12:38)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,390) (101,393) by TJ from Norway
As a non religious person I have to ask: blasphemy or not, shouldn't the person who wrote the thing about popularity be able to do that on this board? It is 2022. Not 1640.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 11:06)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,387) (101,392) by Edward from USA
The wise Adele once sad: "Marian should be in the Bible". While Jesus has sold more books, Marian has sold more records. I guess that's why they are friends. When it comes to Christmas, they are mutually inclusive.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 02:35)
Just another Side Effects (101,391) by Robert-Anthony from United States
If MC could create a song like Side Effects, she would make us so very happy. I pulled out my MP3 player that I put all of the songs from Butterfly, TEOM, E=MC2, Memoirs, MIAM, Imperfect, and Bill's favorite Why You Mad remix.
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 01:56)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,387) (101,390) by Terna from Nigeria
"Then she became more popular then Santa Claus or Jesus Christ." What a dumb thing to say. You better backtrack this statement with immediate effect! God doesn't play with blasphemy.
(Monday 3 October 2022; 19:55)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,386) (101,389) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
BFF, I respect what you're saying, I just don't think we can accuse people of ignoring Mariah. She can be the butt of a joke and she can [also] be praised as one of the few living legends that ever were. I wanna push back a bit on this myth some lambs have that the public doesn't like her or enjoy her; she didn't get where she is based on 1990-1995 fans alone.
(Monday 3 October 2022; 04:58)
Re: The numbers are so confusing (101,365) (101,388) by jaker20 from US
Mariah has sold more than 200 million worldwide. That number has been stuck for years, while other artists are now starting to claim wild numbers on their own. According to Sony Music Asia Pacific, Mariah has sold 1.6 billion units in Asia. And you know what, I would believe that before I believe Madonna's new claim that she sold 400 million so she can retain her "queen of pop" title which is as hilarious as Mariah's "queen of Christmas". And then other artists are also claiming wild worldwide numbers as well. Worldwide, it's a complete joke.

At least now we can claim that Mariah is, bar none, the best selling album female artist in the US, and that gap is bound to increase every year.
(Monday 3 October 2022; 03:56)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,386) (101,387) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
What is the "Mariah coolness" you keep referring to? Mariah was damn cool from 1990-1999. then 2005-2008. Then she became more popular then Santa Claus or Jesus Christ. I don't think she's under underestimated tbh. It was never "cool" to like Madonna in Canada, with millennials. Or a prince, yet they are musical geniuses.
(Monday 3 October 2022; 01:06)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,384) (101,386) by BFF from United States
It's not bitterness as much as it is skepticism. Pitchfork didn't even bother to review a Mariah Carey album until 2014 when "Me I Am Mariah" was released. The publication didn't pay much attention to any genre other than indie rock during the 1990s and 2000s and has always had an elitist Brooklyn hipster vibe. So my question is "Why now?" after years of ignoring Mariah and other artists deemed "not cool enough".
(Sunday 2 October 2022; 21:44)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,381) (101,385) by Lee from USA
I agree with you. It seems like clout-chasing to me. It's pointless to talk about an artist's greatness after years of denying or downplaying it.
(Sunday 2 October 2022; 15:56)
Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,381) (101,384) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
Fantasy is my [favourite] MC song of all time. It deserves all the flowers. My family knows to play it at my funeral lol (seriously). [People] complain when Mariah doesn't gets her flowers, [people] complain when she does get her flowers. Also, Puja Patel (the author of the Mariah selection) is 33 years old. Most Mariah fans are Millennials (born between 1981 and 1996). Also, Pitchfork has been in publication since 1996, it's not a new publication. So not sure where the bitterness is coming from. Of all 250 songs sifted through, of which competition is very stiff, Mariah came out on top. "It's time to have a [party], open [off] the Bacardi."
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 23:13)
Re: Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) (101,383) by RJJ12 from USA
I love the mash up too Stacy. It's brilliant. I also like how she incorporated Big Energy. Her set list is more youthful and upbeat. I like the new WBT version. I'm also not caring about pre records and shaky vocals. I will say I like the new ones in her current voice. I will say that her current live midrange sounded very Rainbowish in her tone. She sounds better live than in some of her recent recordings where she sounds like a chipmunk on the high parts. Bring on the projects.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 18:46)
Re: Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) (101,382) by "MariahHater" from Hell
Honey and HB are on the same rein even as lead singles from their parent albums. Very Mariah formula.

Its Like That to Migrate
Cruise Control to Shake it Off
Petals to Outside

That is why Caution is highly rated as it sounded something she hasn't done before excluding Portrait ala Petals. Mariah is in newer form. FILAC, The Roof 2022 have creative depth.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 18:18)
The Pitchfork lists (101,381) by BFF from United States
I'm glad to see Mariah getting some love, but, to me, it feels a little forced at this point. I mean, how many years did most of us on here spend loving Mariah when it wasn't cool? How many of us went out on 9/11 to buy the "Glitter" album because we knew there would be some gems on there? And do we really need Johnny come lately hipsters to tell us how great of an album "Butterfly" is?

And as much as I love "Fantasy" with ODB and "Always Be My Baby", Mariah has far better songs in her catalogue. I honestly think the ODB collaboration is a bit overrated and that songs like "Breakdown", "Crybaby", and the "My All" So So Def Remix are better examples of Mariah's genius integration of hip-hop into her style.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 15:09)
Re: Is it too early? (101,377) (101,380) by Randy from USA
You know what's funny? My birthday is December 19 so when this time of year comes it's like the dreaded anticipatory wait. But I'm with MC. The day after Halloween, open the floodgates. Before then, I don't take nothing out of the closet, buy anything or listen to any Christmas music.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 14:43)
Re: Is it too early? (101,377) (101,379) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I am the same way Stacey. I love browsing through new Christmas items especially at Walgreens before they are gone. By the way, Backstreet Boys "A Very Backstreet Christmas" comes out on 10/14.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 13:35)
Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) by Stacey from USA
That was genius. I reconciled myself with all the "live vocal trickery" a long time ago. To sing a verse of one song to the music of another song is so cool.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 05:38)
Re: Is it too early? (101,375) (101,377) by Stacey from USA
Haha, I'm glad someone got the "not yet" comment. I don't understand why some get so hot and bothered by others playing Christmas music or seeing Christmas decor pop up in the stores in September and October. It doesn't bother me at all. Frankly I like browsing the Christmas decor before it gets all picked over. I love Fall and Halloween and enjoy it to the fullest.
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 04:02)
If We and WISY (101,376) by Robert-Anthony from United States
If We and When I Saw You are two of my favorite songs that never got enough love. Both should have been singles.
(Friday 30 September 2022; 18:00)
Re: Is it too early? (101,374) (101,375) by Libra Lamb from USA
Not yet, lol. Mariah will officially kick of the Christmas season on 11/01. I say play whatever music you want in the privacy of your home. I was singing Christmas carols yesterday and my spouse reminded me that it's too early. Bah, humbug. We love everyone.
(Friday 30 September 2022; 13:53)

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