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Re: Subtle Invitation love (70,359) (70,404) by 123 from USA What's up Ty? I don't think we sung this one though, but I won't reveal what it was lol. It's been bleak around here so I post rarely. When are you coming back to the City? You should come in March. I'll hit you up. Hope you are well. (Thursday 29 December 2016; 7:12)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,397) (70,403) by Marissa from USA "Ignorant ass?" You're reaching. If I was truly ignorant I would have jumped on the bandwagon about this Mariah-fur situation all the while planning what red or white meat I'm going to eat for dinner like I'm sure many of the people who are angry at her are going to do. It actually takes critical thinking to point out the many ways that most people on this earth are complicit in either the suffering or exploitation of animals instead of just acting like not wearing fur qualifies someone to be canonized into sainthood. Hell, most people can't even afford a real fur coat so it's not much of a protest if you having one isn't even an option to begin with. I would kindly ask the real vegans to stand up, because a lot of them would drag many lambs for only being part-time dedicated to the cause of animal rights, but justifying other things. In fact, why doesn't everyone who doesn't like fur being on MC's website (which she probably has no awareness of) share what they have had for breakfast, lunch and dinner over the past 5 days? I'm sure there's a carcass digesting in most of the people who are mad. This whole scenario reminds me of religious people who will be ready to burn down a city upon finding out that someone is gay, but will overlook their own "white lies", lust and fornication. I'm not trying to turn this into a PETA forum and am done with this topic, but as critical as I've been of MC in the past, I didn't feel like the level of these criticisms were even fair considering that most people don't even live up to the cause of animal rights that they're preaching about. (Thursday 29 December 2016; 2:11)

Fur begs the question (70,402) by Norman from USA Why is it always pitchforks and torches around here? It's always guilty until proven innocent. And even then you need 100 forensic evidence. It's an obsession to snatch anger from the jaws of happiness. (Thursday 29 December 2016; 1:07)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,397) (70,401) by Edward from USA Amen. (Thursday 29 December 2016; 0:23)

Re: Marissa (70,393) (70,400) by Andrew from UK If you wrote "Brava" I'd have thumbed you up myself. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 23:21)

Re: Leave Mariah alone (70,377) (70,399) by RibbonB from USA I too wish she could/would take some time without the whole gang there, just to reflect, review and renew. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 23:20)

I want my meat from skinned-alive cows (70,398) by Edward from USA Well, people have been eating meat for ages, but as time has progressed the methods in which these animal we eat are slaughtered have been more humane, again I say, humane. I'm pretty sure anybody who has a cat would be disgusted if its skin were ripped off of its body while the cat still suffering in pain. I don't remember the last cow that was skinned alive just so we could have meat that tastes juicier and better, I would be against it. These fur coats many people wear come from animals that oftentimes are skinned alive, some rabbits get they tail and sometimes legs cut off and left suffering, that's what I'm referring to, the cruelty. I had a cat that was sick with cancer and I had to put him to sleep, I didn't savagely smash its head against a wall, I did it the more humanely possible so that he would not suffer. So yes, we all have a responsibility here, and because many people have spoken, things are changing gradually. Those who want to wear their blood furry coats, good for them. It's about cruelty towards defenseless innocent animals who can't at least be put to dead quick and without pain. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 23:19)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,390) (70,397) by Andrew from UK I can defend myself. I am a human being. Mariah is a human being. I do not think of her as a cockroach. My opinion of what she is doing or who she is matters not one iota to her. I criticise her here because it is my avenue for doing so because I care so much. I think massively positive thoughts all the time. I have adored her all my life. In person, I rant about how awesome she is. Others post such rants on here but it isn't my role or in my interest to do so (much). I can take your attempts at getting thumbed-up from your little audience from the pedestal upon which your ignorant ass rests. But animals are vulnerable and somebody so globally [censored] famous and revered as Mariah Carey should not be extolling the virtues of barbarity. On a base level, we need animals to die, but fur-farming is barbaric and sick. You don't get to debate this. You just [censored] don't. You can no more debate this than debate with me the composition of the air that we breathe. There are moral certainties in life that are inalienable truths. Just as we have moved on to (trying) not to purchase eggs from battery-farm hens, so this practice, itself, is inhumane and disgusting. Society has moved, quite recently, into becoming more aware of the need to balance the availability of food with animal rights. We are, ourselves, in the food chain, and it is natural for us to eat them. The leather issue? Well, most leather is (hopefully) produced in humane ways. It's morality is debatable, but the process is, for the most part, humane. I may need to research this more, I can't claim to be the authority here. Certainly, I do not purchase leather, but, were I to, I would expect quality-of-life to exist, despite the animals' impending death. Fur-farms are the level at which all humanity is lost. They are the ISIS of dinner parties for animals. You cannot wear fur and claim to be a nice person. You cannot dismiss the issue lightly with a few taps of your keys and claim to be a nice person. You cannot advocate it and claim to be a nice person. Mariah Carey politics aside (for it is politics), something is very wrong with whomsoever cannot see this. Call me what you like, but this isn't about me, or my perceived hypocrisy. This is about who Mariah is. Does she know what is being posted there? It is important that she speaks instead of being "elusive", i.e., not giving a shit about what her fans think. The guy who owns this site has just threatened to pull it because of this. That's how ridiculous this is. I hope everyone is following Martyn's campaign. Your own campaign was well adhered to, but I would argue that Martyn's is significantly more important. Companies go to lengths to protect their brand. Incredible writ-laden lengths. Mariah, or Stella, or both, seem to be dumping upon hers from a great height. Let me finish with this (and move on): if Mariah pulls that website and replaces it with a massive apology and fires Stella then I will rejoice from the rooftops and sing her praises for showing that that twenty-something "innocence" still exists inside. Stella is now Ground Zero. As for Mariah, at her best, I find Mariah to represent all that is great about humanity. At her worst (the last couple of years) I find Mariah, as a person, morally questionable. I never ever thought of her as somebody who would use her name to advocates fur farms. The idea would have been anathema to me. "Angels' Advocate"? How about "Animals' Advocate"? How about actually meaning something again, instead of just being a human (albeit a human with musical greatness) attached to two balls of silicone? (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 23:17)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,390) (70,395) by Shezz from Pk Preach Marissa. Yes Mariah's world is hella crazy these days but you know what? It's her's to do with as she pleases. You know what else? She never put a gun to your head and made you sign a contract to be a fan for life. I understand constructive criticism but some people here take the daily bashing to another level and seriously need to take up other activities to address your frustrations in life. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 22:51)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,390) (70,394) by Lila from United States I have never understood that crap. They say they won't wear fur, they let PETA bully them into not wearing fur, and issuing PC statements against wearing it, etc. but they carry leather bags and other leather products, eat the furry little creatures, and everything else. You might as well just wear the damn fur then. I'd wear fur and don't care about anyone else's opinion on the matter. I also find it quite silly to wear faux fur and faux leather as the products, and production of them, are all toxic and bad for the environment. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 22:40)

Marissa (70,393) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Bravo well said. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 22:24)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,390) (70,392) by Chicago Lamb from USA Beautifully stated Marissa. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 21:59)

Re: Fur coat? (70,370) (70,391) by MusicfanJ from Germany I personally think only the Inuits for example should wear fur or people in Siberia. Rich and "normal" city people shouldn't wear it. It's disgusting. Fake fur looks nice too. Anyway I don't like the website of Mariah's World at all. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 20:03)

Re: Why not wearing them? They're cute (70,371) (70,390) by Marissa from USA Unless you are a full blown vegan (that includes food, clothing, cleaning products and makeup choices), no one has any room to judge Mariah or anyone else for that matter. Over half of the celebrities who have posed for the "I'd rather go naked than wear fur" campaign still eat meat, have leather private jet seats and probably don't give a damn whether their makeup has been tested on animals or not. There is just so much hypocrisy when it comes to this issue that I don't think it's fair to start hate campaigns against people unless you are 100% committed to the cause yourself. Animal rights advocates, continue to spread awareness, but understand that it's going to be difficult to convince most of society that with all of the human rights issues we have today, that they should focus their energy on cows, chinchillas, rabbits, etc. Like it or not, there will always be that divide to a certain extent. Andrew, you have the nerve to go off on someone about animal rights when you talk about Mariah, a human being, like she's a cockroach almost daily? This is the hypocrisy that I'm talking about. People will go into a depression over the struggles of a cow but will treat their fellow human beings like complete trash. Boy bye. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 19:25)

Re: I'm leaving MCA behind in 2016... shake it off (70,358) (70,388) by Special K from USA I must say when you read the majority of the posts they do come off as preachy, egotistical, negative, very judgemental and past rude. Does make you wonder are there any fans up on this piece? I do think some folks up in here have no damn lives and love to bash Mariah on the daily because it makes their pathetic sorry lives have some type of purpose. Do I agree with everything Mariah does? Hell no. In the present I think Mariah is way out of bounce and when I see some of things she is doing it makes me cringe. I know Mariah is better than this and so do the majority of the fans here however I don't see the need to come on MCArchives to bash her on the daily or even weekly. Ain't that deep. I'm sorry to see you go. Good luck. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 17:09)

Re: Fur coat? (70,379) (70,387) by THE TRUTH from USA Andrew you are a classic. I hate to agree with you but I agree with you 1000 percent. I'd also love if "lambs" would just stop blaming everything Mariah does on her stylist, Stella, assorted leaches, record company, Mercury in retrograde or global warming. Mariah is as Mariah does just like all of the rest of us. We are accountable for our own actions as is she and no amount of celebrity, hit records or anything else merits a pass for mis-steps. If you get to take credit for your hits then you better own your flops as well. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 15:52)

Baby (70,386) by B from USA Another shameless Mariah hire Rachel Zoe as your stylist plea. Did you know Lionel Richie's daughter Nicole became an overnight fashionista (fashion icon) once she hired Zoe as her stylist. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 14:51)

Re: Fur coat? (70,370) (70,383) by B from USA Let's be honest Mariah doesn't dress herself and she doesn't put her own shoes on anymore. The stylist is to blame and whoever is operating that new site. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 14:41)

Re: If Stella lurks in the darkness (70,352) (70,381) by Martyn from England, UK Maybe we should start a campaign. We could flood each of these horrendous posts by copying and pasting #MakeMusicNotClickbait a million times on each post. Stella seems to respond well to hashtags lol. I'll kick start it on the most recent post now. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 11:54)

Re: I'm leaving MCA behind in 2016... shake it off (70,358) (70,380) by Martyn from England, UK Thank you for referencing my post in your dramatic departure message. (I bet you're on of those people who announces they're taking a "break" from Facebook/Twitter. If you really want to go, just go, we don't need an official statement.) I have no problem with Mariah's team writing a blog post about George Michael in tribute to his death, I actually think it's a nice idea, but hyperlinking the album name to the purchase page on iTunes is distasteful and inappropriate. Anyway, enjoy your new life away from this board, I hope it brings you much happiness. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 11:48)

Re: Fur coat? (70,362) (70,379) by Andrew from UK You are a fucking prick. There's no way around it. I hope that wasn't censored. Nothing wrong with wearing fur? You absolute horror of human being. Go suck chicken off a bone. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 8:55)

Re: I'm leaving MCA behind in 2016... shake it off (70,358) (70,378) by Felix Pires from Holland I get it. You are so right. Negativity is the norm on this board. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 7:55)

Leave Mariah alone (70,377) by darrian liu from taiwan No, before all of y'all attack me, I don't mean that we should stop posting our opinions. I mean Stella and her team should leave Mariah alone for a while. Leave Mariah and her kids alone, maybe just with her old friends like Lee Daniels, etc. I think while Mariah should be held accountable for her actions, Stella and her team does have an influence on her - especially Stella. No Stella. No Tanaka. No whoever that is. I really, really think Mariah should reflect and think by herself and that she needs a genuine advice from a good friend who isn't on her payroll. I think she's becoming more and more detached from reality and her actions have been more and more questionable. (Fur coats? Really Mariah?) (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 6:56)

Edward (70,376) by TRAVON AUSTIN from United States I have been back sparingly and I don't post here like I used to do. However, I just would like you to know that I love you. I love your realness and catchphrase vibes you give. I am happy that you still post. Yaaaaaaaaay. Slaaaaaaaay Edward slaaaaaaaay. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 3:46)

Re: I'm leaving MCA behind in 2016... shake it off (70,369) (70,375) by Licia from USA I agree. I like to read everyone's opinions whether I agree or not. If a person gets too out of hand I just don't click anything that they have to say. Everything isn't rainbows and unicorns. Some of us can be harsh with our opinions (sometimes it can get downright mean), but we all want the best for Mariah. We all know she's better than these stunts she's been pulling. Anyway good luck on your Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram real fan journey. I've found that MCA is much tamer than those three places. Those so called "real fans" can be just as ruthless and way harsher. (Wednesday 28 December 2016; 2:54)

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