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Completely unrelated but (63,233) by darrian liu from taiwan RIP Christina Grimmie. She was shot after she opened for a Before You Exit concert. For those who don't know her, she was an amazing singer who blew up on YouTube. Then she got into The Voice and became even bigger. She was such a talented girl. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 10:05)

Prince on Mariah (63,232) by MC1989 from Spain Here's a clip from Prince talking about Mariah's deal with Virgin back in the day. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 10:00)

Mariah Carey on people stealing her music (63,231) by 123 from USA I like how she lit up when they finally asked her about music. Stop trying to corrupt her, she has no business in a buffet. Flavors is the best buffet anyway, Ceasar's buffet is overrated. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 6:25)

Re: Love Takes Time 6/8/16 (63,213) (63,230) by 123 from USA That's awesome Deedre. I didn't get to purchase my first Mariah album until the release of Daydream. I was 14/15 and a freshman in high school. Still my favorite album. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 5:53)

Deedre / Selena (63,229) by Edward from USA Deedre, Selena's death left us all Latinos, specially those who were living in Latin America at that time, in a state of shock. She was working on her English album, so sad she couldn't finish it. I love "I Could Fall In Love" and "Dreaming of You", I regularly listen to those two songs. Her songs in Spanish [...] great too and the ballads are soulful. If Jennifer had an iota of Selena's voice, she would be a real singer. Selena was a humble, gracious, and beautiful soul. She could sing and dance, and had a body to kill for. It's so sad she was killed by this monster she trusted because she was stealing money from Selena's fan club and Selena confronted her. Had she survived, Jennifer Lopez wouldn't be the Jennifer Lopez we know today. Listening to Selena's "No Me Queda Mas", beautiful, soulful and well-sung song. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 2:11)

Re: Love Takes Time 6/8/16 (63,216) (63,228) by Licia from USA Deedre no problem. Most of us just love great music and don't mind talking about other artists who are just as great as MC. I discovered Selena by chance. They played the Techno Cumbia video and I fell in love with that song. Once I saw the movie and heard the soundtrack I was hooked. I love the live cumbia medley she did at the the astrodome in Houston (where I'm from). Although I only know a few songs she made a huge impact on me. You can't deny her talent. Can you suggest some other songs? I know Bidi Bidi Bum Ba, Amor Prohibido, La Cacarcha, Techno Cumbia, Baila Esta Cumbia, Dreaming Of You, and I Can Fall In Love. I probably didn't spell half of those songs correctly. Lol (Saturday 11 June 2016; 1:39)

Billy, B, Giovanni and One Sweet Day (63,227) by Randy from USA I want to thank Billy and B for disagreeing with me respectfully. Respectful disagreements without belittling and banishing are hard to come by. Billy I am MC's biggest fan. In my circle, we all have divas. We all are part of Facebook groups. When fans of other divas start pulling YouTube clips, and we compare, it is over for MC and considering her career being from 1990-2016 so far, I find myself only being able to chose clips from 1990-1997, the Glitter era and Jimmy Fallon's impromptu that are not fraudulent. What comes across as me being disrespectful and critical, is sheer frustration at not having many receipts of her vocal ability outside of the studio. I also get angry with her for lipping because she never addressed why she can't sing her songs as she records them, or she hasn't toned down her belting to what she can do in the current stage of her voice live. As a school teacher, I will not be able to one day say, I have 27 years in the game and was good back in the day so I have nothing to prove and therefore I teach when I want to, not retire, and I'm still worth $500 million. Where is that fair? Which is why B, I think Patti's the best who has ever done it. She started recording in 1960. Watch her sing You Are My Friend at the Essence awards in 2000, 40 years into her career and it is mind boggling how artists such as MC, Christina Aguilera, Pink and Alicia Keys started having vocal problems a few albums into their careers. I do want MC to succeed but it's gonna take work, not excuses for her to retain her legacy as one of the best voices ever. I shut the [censored] up when she did that impromptu for the fans because it was amazing. So why was that an anomaly? While many on this board criticize her style of dress, her love life, eternally 12 and her interviews, I could care less. If she showed up to the White House correspondence dinner in a thong and pasties, I would not care as long as she burned the stage down without lipping. What matters to me is the voice and the quality of music. And let me address One Sweet Day and the newer generation. I teach 11th grade English and when I am about to say goodbye to the students each semester I play four videos. They don't know One Sweet Day, Bye Bye or Bone Thugs and Harmony's The Crossroads. But they know every single word to It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday. Who knows why some songs are classics. And Giovanni I love your list. In my opinion, the best voices of all time during their peak are: 1. Patti Labelle 1960-2004 2. Whitney Houston 1985-2000 3. Mariah Carey 1990-1997 4. Christina Aguilera 1998-2002 5. Jennifer Hudson (still sickening) 6. Aretha Franklin 1960-1998 7. Celine Dion (still sickening but now ridiculously safe) 8. Deborah Cox (still sickening but doesn't have a job) 9. Fantasia 2004-2010 10. Beyonce (still sickening but ridiculously safe) (Saturday 11 June 2016; 0:56)

Re: James Corden (63,219) (63,226) by Andrew from UK So she won't sing live because if she's good she'll be criticised and if she's bad she'll be criticised. So retirement? What a load of nonsense. Those who proclaim fairies to be living in the garden must at least entertain the idea that they don't. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 0:29)

Bloody hell (63,225) by Andrew from UK "Bloody hell, you agree with me?" I have argued many things over the last couple of years (and taken some slack for it whilst others often repeat the points I raise, I might add). I am sometimes throwing Mariah a lifeline and sometimes I am "throwing her under a bus", so to speak, if that's translatable to non-British English. Little idiomatic. But my message has been clear, I think, and, I hope. If she can really do it, really pull it off, then do it. Pull it off. What I witnessed at the O2 in London was a resurgence of confidence. Yes, it was buttered with lip-sync. I proclaimed it great because it wasn't the crap lip-sync of olde. And I pissed my pants (another idiom?) because I'm a Mariah fan. I saw a powerful performer. I like the Emotions intro, it needs to be aired on television. It's not just the power or the melisma, it's the sound of her voice that captivates. It's purity hen it's honest. Whitney had a masculine belt, Celine a feminine French awkwardness (although spectacular), Mariah a soothing universal tone. I won't say that a concert can be had whereby Mariah's voice can stress out every note without lip sync. But those moments where she can do it need to be aired on live television. It would remind everybody that the (older) vocalist still has the sound and the tone and the power, albeit occasional. She needs to do it and man up and accept if it [censored] up it [censored] up. But we are waiting to hear it. Were I her manager I would gear her up for this. This, above all else, will state, for the record, a legacy. Shock. And then awe. Everything else is just a waste of material. (Saturday 11 June 2016; 0:27)

Re: Question (63,209) (63,224) by RibbonB from USA I'm pretty sure she does. Her nephew does and her old friend Jasmine has mentioned the site before. (Friday 10 June 2016; 23:02)

Patti Labelle (63,223) by Giovanni from USA In my opinion is the greatest female singer and vocalist of all time. She's definitely the best I have ever heard. She hit notes not even Whitney could hit and did things with her voice no other singer could do. Her power, belting, range and ability to sustain notes by far outshines any singer in history. Her voice could literally raise the dead. Just watch her "You'll never walk alone" performance at the Apollo. Also, vocal gymnastics is something not every singer has. A perfect song that showcases Patti as a great singer is "Teach me tonight" (Me gusta tu baile). Who else could sing like that or give those type of vocals. No one. Unfortunately, Patti did not have the blockbuster success other singers like Diana, Whitney, Celine or Mariah had. Which is something fans like me have to live with. However she made a name for herself as a singer and an icon. So in a way that's good enough I suppose. For me after Patti is Mariah, Whitney, Celine, Diana and Dionne. (Friday 10 June 2016; 22:00)

Re: VOL at an award show (63,221) (63,222) by B from USA Agreed. Or Vanishing. (Friday 10 June 2016; 21:17)

VOL at an award show (63,221) by radhames from Curacao All MC needs to do is sing Vision Of Love the way she's singing it in Las Vegas. The confidence, the gown and the voice. It would be nice if she could open the award show, and do a high note in the beginning (Fantasy style) and do those amazing runs towards the end. Like just a reminder that she is and will always be Mariah Carey, the singer. It's such a great time to be a lamb. (Friday 10 June 2016; 20:46)

Re: Mariah's passion (63,142) (63,220) by B from USA I disagree. I think her confidence was the issue not her passion or conviction. MIAM has several impassioned songs. Cry and Camouflage are two of her most passionate and inspired vocals in years. However, I felt similarly when listening to MOAIA. I feel that album is uninspired. I think despite the delays the album was rushed because everyone knew Obsessed was a hit. Languishing is the only impassioned song on that album and it's an interlude. (Friday 10 June 2016; 19:16)

Re: James Corden (63,188) (63,219) by B from USA Randy, I disagree. Carpool Karokee is a skit, it's supposed to be fun. If she had sang they would say she was showing off or complain that her voice doesn't sound like it used to. I love Patti but she isn't the greatest singer ever. She's one of the greatest but isn't the greatest. I hope someday Mariah can give a live performance that is up to your expectations/standards. (Friday 10 June 2016; 18:51)

Re: "Thank God I Found You" - Vegas (June 7) (63,195) (63,218) by B from USA TGIFY was a highlight for me. I love how she rearranged the song. (Friday 10 June 2016; 18:43)

Re: Love Takes Time 6/8/16 (63,213) (63,217) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Sometimes typing on an iPhone is so silly. Nariah? Really? Sorry guys. Lol. (Friday 10 June 2016; 18:19)

Re: Love Takes Time 6/8/16 (63,185) (63,216) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada It's so nice to see the shout outs for Selena. Thanks Enwar, RJJ112 and Licia. I have always had a very intense love for music at around 12, started seriously building a music collection Mariah and Selena are the two I have collected very seriously from cd singled to video footage and other rare gems. There will never be another artist like Selena. She had the chops. If you've ever seen concert footage she's just an incredible live performer, a very sweet, humble, genuine person, who worked her butt off, loved her family and loved life. There are two live albums. "Selena Live" which came out in 1993 and was a free concert for the fans in her home town. She and her band won a Grammy for that album, but there's actually more of that concert that isn't on the record. There's also a live CD/DVD of her last concert in Houston February 26, 1995. Amor Prohibido is her most successful album before she passed. Dreaming Of You is just awesome, her crossover into English market was inevitable. But for me her music is timeless. There are 3 albums her family worked with her label to release. "Selena Anthology" which has many cool different arrangements of her songs and some early vocal performances. The cumbia and mariachi versions on Anthology are awesome. "Enamorada De Ti" is really cool because they took her original vocals and recorded new music underneath and paired her with current arrests (2012) for duets and completely new sound keeping the music fresh as ever. "La Leyenda" came out in 2010 and to me is a great set that spans her entire career giving you a mix of all her Spanish, live performances and her English music. (Friday 10 June 2016; 18:16)

Re: Why "One Sweet Day" is not a timeless classic? (63,199) (63,215) by B from USA One Sweet Day is a classic. It is played at funerals and has helped a lot of people deal with the death of a loved one. Just because some teenagers don't know the song doesn't mean it isn't a classic. (Friday 10 June 2016; 17:57)

Re: Mimi L. / Diana Ross (63,173) (63,214) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago This may be why. If MC was disappointed by Diana's reaction then she should also take note about what she herself says about and how she treats the ones coming up now. (Friday 10 June 2016; 17:41)

Re: Love Takes Time 6/8/16 (63,184) (63,213) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada RJj112, thanks for sharing how you came to love Nariah. I love hearing those kinds of stories. I agree, it is ISV's legendary single. I first heard MC on the radio. They played Vision Of Love and Love Takes Time back to back and I asked my babysitter to take me to the music store so I could buy the tape with my allowance lol. (Friday 10 June 2016; 16:34)

Re: Essence Festival (63,206) (63,212) by darrian liu from taiwan Great list. My list would look something like this: 1) Make It Happen (he always has strong performances in that song) 2) Heartbreaker 3) Shake It Off 4) We Belong Together (but maybe the remix instead of the usual, but the original would work just fine) 5) Vision of Love 6) Fantasy 7) Maybe a medley of hits just like what she did in American Idol or the New Year's Eve. (Friday 10 June 2016; 13:57)

Re: James Corden (63,188) / Randy / Mariah karaoke (63,211) by Billy from Greece Randy, while I remember that I used to agree with several of your posts and opinions in the past, your constant nagging about Mariah in the past several months has really become grating. Not only this, but your continuous comparisons between Mariah and other divas who have obviously shown Mariah respect and love is also at this point misplaced. Mariah has never been the spontaneous singer who would just burst into blasting out big notes in contexts other than her concerts. She is constantly musical no doubt, from the way she talks to her phrasing and ingenious melodies on the spot, but she has also always been very "economical" of her instrument when it comes to singing on the spot. That's why it's very unlikely that you'll hear her belting or singing her heart out in a carpool karaoke the way Jennifer Hudson or Adele did, because her style and personality would never go along with that. Mariah has been literally way more elusive than that, which is both good and bad, but is also part of her allure. As much as you rightly hail those other great divas, despite her shortcomings and mistakes, make no doubt that Mariah belongs in the same pantheon. I understand that you want her to just go all out there and be a singer's singer in the old fashioned way and just perform uninhibitedly on the spot. But in your haze of comparing her to other greats, you really miss the point. Sure, I also have felt that Mariah has so much more potential both with her instrument and image than what she has delivered at times, but a closer look shows that the woman has really been unstoppable for 26 years. I also wish I knew what goes on in her throat but if Mariah feels like she doesn't want to belt out her songs in a car, then I trust her. Clearly, she has always struggled with stage/TV fright, even almost 30 years into the business, and yes, she may be unnecessarily insecure about her instrument. But you neglect to acknowledge the fact that oftentimes it also comes down to anatomy and not healthy or unhealthy habits. Patti Labelle was blessed with a huge and durable voice. Does that alone make her the greatest vocalist ever? Doubtful. Mariah is still a force to be reckoned. I've never seen another diva been so creative with her instrument. I'm also sure that there is a very specific mentality behind Mariah not "giving away" her voice in moments like the carpool karaoke (maybe something that Tommy coached her about back in the day?). As much as she can tour around TV shows and do interviews, at the same time she treats her singing as not something to be dispensed easily. Not to say that people should only pay to be granted that reward, but she just is not that type of performer. You saw how well she worked in a setting like the Jimmy Fallon fan surprise a couple of years ago. That's much closer to her idiosyncrasy. For goodness sake though, don't put her down any more. She is a phenomenal musician, who has issues with being loose on stage or on TV. Does that diminish her artistry or status? Hell no. (Friday 10 June 2016; 13:30)

Re: HQ pictures of Mariah (63,205) (63,210) by Martyn from England, UK The best way to do this is probably google image search. If you do it from a computer you can refine your search. If you click "large" under the size menu they are generally all hi-res. I hope this helps. (Friday 10 June 2016; 13:16)

Question (63,209) by Mariah from Us Does anyone know if Mariah knows about this message board? (Friday 10 June 2016; 13:09)

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