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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,186) by Jamie from UK We all like different styles of music, whether it be pop, hip hop, RnB, Soul. Mariah has covered those genres throughout her career even 1990-1995. She worked with C&C Music Factory to give her a street vibe, I loved it and the general audience loved it. The Butterfly album is a masterpiece I agree but I think the reason it didn't sell as much was purely the fact that she deviated far too quickly from what worked for her and her audience. She lost a big chunk of her core base. It didn't sell as much not because of its genre, it was purely down to what the public liked about Mariah and her style at the this time. As I said previously, I love urban Mariah otherwise I wouldn't continue to be a fan, I loved her and grew with her change in direction. Those that chose not to move with her was for their own personal music tastes and they're entitled to that. All I'm trying to get across is whilst we core fans might have stayed with her, the reason for her decline in sales is just down to the fact that more people preferred those early mixed genre days, and the sales spike for themselves. My love for Mariah and what I see as a current cognitive decline isn't me hating on her, I'm just coming from a concerned place. I appreciate your input and your views and I hope you have a nice day. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:34) this is a reply to message 110,178

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,178) by Terna from Nigeria Getting uncomfortable I see. Lol. I wasn't the one who insinuated or brought it up, I just responded to his message and acknowledged he got that part, he's black too as he stated and gets it. "Butterfly" never did the numbers "Music Box" and "Daydream" did for that one fact. It is an R&B/HipHop album. Facts. But look at how highly rated that album is in contemporary music today. It is also her "Magnum Opus", she achieved her best work, being her authentic true self. I haven't "crowned" myself poison or anything negative here, as you put it, I'm not the one spitting vitriol out at Mariah here masked as "OG Love", from the OG Coven. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:47)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,185) by Edward from USA Epic and stunning look. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:33)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,184) by Lara from Middle East Effortlessly sexy. That's what we want. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:04)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,183) by Lambi from USA "I would never lip sync" sends me right back to Howard Stern's correct assessment of Mariah Carey lip syncing at the '98 Blockbuster Awards. She was so insulted, she gaslit him and sang a line on the spot: "Baby, can you feel me, imagining I'm looking in your eyes, can you see that? Yeah, don't accuse me of not singing again. Ever." This will forever send me because the clip consistently goes viral and everyone thinks Mariah delivered a smackdown response when in reality, she was gaslighting him the whole time. She was, in fact, lip syncing. LMAO. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 12:46) this is a reply to message 110,139

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,139) by Bill from the UK There was a brief window of time, from the debut through to Unplugged, when Mariah was Mariah. This era is what I would deem the authentic Mariah. It was before she became heavily manicured and manufactured, and before her career was as calculated for success as during Music Box and Daydream. It was before she was married where, in Mariah's words, she married him hoping he would "lighten up" but it made him more insecure and controlling than he was beforehand. It was also before the diva persona took up residence and when she was a sincere and capable singer who said to Lorraine Kelly in 1990 "I would never lip sync", right after the Milli Vanilli scandal. Now we're lucky if we get a line sung live. Of course nobody here wants her to be unhappy, even the OGs. But there was a spark she had in the beginning that dimmed over time. And really, can we honestly say she has been happy post-Tommy? People love to say post-1997 she was free and independent and happy, but that has never been the case. She's had a string of heartbreaks, career setbacks, and an image/creativity crisis in the decades that followed. She seemed momentarily happy and content with Nick and the arrival of the babies, but then that went south pretty quickly. So, all we can do is love her. That can be supporting everything she does, or taking the hard decision to call out things that she perhaps shouldn't be doing. When Mariah leaves us (I pray not for a long, long, long time), her career should be remembered for the incredible string of achievements she trail-blazed, the wonderful songs that captured a generation, a Christmas song that will endure forevermore, and being one of the greatest voices we have ever heard. Not as this caricature diva worried about lighting and splashes, being celebrated as the "Queen of shade" (that's not a good thing), wearing lingerie and lip synching to engineered vocals that cannot be replicated live. But who am I? (Monday 28 July 2025; 18:01)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,182) by Dove from United States I love this article and these looks. I love the oversized coat jacket look but only for a photoshoot, let's please not go from one extreme to another. I wanted to clarify my "sometimes vulgar" comment in my last post. I wasn't saying most of her ensembles are vulgar, there are a lot of looks I love, too. I love the gold dress for the BET performance, the black ensemble at Capital's Summertime Ball, the Jimmy Kimmel animal print look I would have rated 100 if the top part had just covered a little bit more of her chest. The pink sparkly dress when she's mixing the cake mix was really pretty, again I would have loved it more if she would have covered just a bit more of her chest. I don't wish for her to walk around wearing a burka all day, she's a very beautiful woman. I don't love overly sexual looks on anyone. But that's just my opinion. I'm going to support her no matter what she chooses to wear. I'll always have an opinion about it, though. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 12:32)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,181) by Dove from United States Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with any of her music, I pretty much love all of it. What I don't love is the sometimes vulgar ensemble choices. And I miss when she was more open and had funny stories to share about her life in interviews. Now it's always the same questions and short responses. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 12:14) this is a reply to message 110,159

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,159) by Terna from Nigeria You get it, and I'm glad you addressed it from this angle, I just didn't want to get into it. Part of the main problem "OG's" have is Mariah's leaning towards black music and succeeding at it too - R&B/Hiphop specifically. That's why they will always have a problem with this "New Mariah", so to speak, because that Tommy version was molded to cater to a white audience. Let's call it as it is. However, that's not the real her, never really was to begin with - check "Vision of Love", that's a singer who's main and only influence is black music, gospel, R&B and hip-hop (check the debut album, isn't she rapping on "Prisoner"). What's mind boggling about these OG fans is that new Mariah (true Mariah) has now been out so to speak, much longer (all caps) than hairbangs Mariah (Music Box and Daydream) and she has pretty much remained the same since, yet they're still hooked on the curated Tommy's vision of her and think that somehow, someday she's gonna go back to pop and that image. Smh. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:12)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,180) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I love the cover. She looks like an absolute boss. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:58) this is a reply to message 110,173

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,173) by TJ from Norway The first picture. Wow. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:18)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,179) by TJ from Norway I have never had a problem with Mariah doing black music. Never. I never knew it was about colour. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:48) this is a reply to message 110,159

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,159) by Terna from Nigeria You get it, and I'm glad you addressed it from this angle, I just didn't want to get into it. Part of the main problem "OG's" have is Mariah's leaning towards black music and succeeding at it too - R&B/Hiphop specifically. That's why they will always have a problem with this "New Mariah", so to speak, because that Tommy version was molded to cater to a white audience. Let's call it as it is. However, that's not the real her, never really was to begin with - check "Vision of Love", that's a singer who's main and only influence is black music, gospel, R&B and hip-hop (check the debut album, isn't she rapping on "Prisoner"). What's mind boggling about these OG fans is that new Mariah (true Mariah) has now been out so to speak, much longer (all caps) than hairbangs Mariah (Music Box and Daydream) and she has pretty much remained the same since, yet they're still hooked on the curated Tommy's vision of her and think that somehow, someday she's gonna go back to pop and that image. Smh. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:12)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,178) by Terna from Nigeria Getting uncomfortable I see. Lol. I wasn't the one who insinuated or brought it up, I just responded to his message and acknowledged he got that part, he's black too as he stated and gets it. "Butterfly" never did the numbers "Music Box" and "Daydream" did for that one fact. It is an R&B/HipHop album. Facts. But look at how highly rated that album is in contemporary music today. It is also her "Magnum Opus", she achieved her best work, being her authentic true self. I haven't "crowned" myself poison or anything negative here, as you put it, I'm not the one spitting vitriol out at Mariah here masked as "OG Love", from the OG Coven. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:47) this is a reply to message 110,170

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,170) by Jamie from UK Can we just stick to the facts and not make this about some race war please. If you're talking music styles then yes I love urban/R&B Mariah but I wasn't talking about that. You've taken what we have been saying into your own context and twisted it into black vs white. Again shame on you. I think you've just crowned yourself the "poison" on this forum. We all love Mariah in our own way, respect people's opinions and stop being rude to people. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:03)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,177) by Randy from USA Absolutely stunning photos... and yall know by now, I don't like anything. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:32)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,176) by Lambi from USA Yes I'm just such a fan I couldn't wait for your response. I'm truly riveted for you. This validation means everything. Stacey the goated OG lamb. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:29) this is a reply to message 110,174

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,174) by Stacey from USA Ironically you are here too responding to my posts, lol. Imagine that. Thank you for calling me the goated lamb. My self worth is now full. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:23)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,175) by Stacey from USA Thanks Jaime. Oh my gosh, I messed up your name. Thanks Jamie. Good thing school starts up in a few days. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:25) this is a reply to message 110,171

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,171) by Jamie from UK I love the name Sydney. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:04)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,174) by Stacey from USA Ironically you are here too responding to my posts, lol. Imagine that. Thank you for calling me the goated lamb. My self worth is now full. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:23) this is a reply to message 110,172

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,172) by Lambi from USA I mean makes perfect sense. You're the goated lamb and you're here all day. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:10)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,173) by TJ from Norway The first picture. Wow. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:18)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,172) by Lambi from USA I mean makes perfect sense. You're the goated lamb and you're here all day. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:10) this is a reply to message 110,169

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,169) by Stacey from USA Thanks. I appreciate it. My entire self worth hinges on what people think of me here. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:56)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,171) by Jamie from UK I love the name Sydney. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:04) this is a reply to message 110,165

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,165) by Stacey from USA I absolutely love accents. I was in line at Disney when a woman with her daughter got behind me. They were from Sydney, Australia. (I named my daughter Sydney.) We chatted and I told her she had a lovely accent. I am from Southern California. The only accent I have is how So Cal peeps tend to put "the" in front of a freeway. (Ex: You take "the" 15 to "the" 210, etc.). That's not even an accent, lol. Oh well, at least we have beaches. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 09:55)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,170) by Jamie from UK Can we just stick to the facts and not make this about some race war please. If you're talking music styles then yes I love urban/R&B Mariah but I wasn't talking about that. You've taken what we have been saying into your own context and twisted it into black vs white. Again shame on you. I think you've just crowned yourself the "poison" on this forum. We all love Mariah in our own way, respect people's opinions and stop being rude to people. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:03) this is a reply to message 110,159

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,159) by Terna from Nigeria You get it, and I'm glad you addressed it from this angle, I just didn't want to get into it. Part of the main problem "OG's" have is Mariah's leaning towards black music and succeeding at it too - R&B/Hiphop specifically. That's why they will always have a problem with this "New Mariah", so to speak, because that Tommy version was molded to cater to a white audience. Let's call it as it is. However, that's not the real her, never really was to begin with - check "Vision of Love", that's a singer who's main and only influence is black music, gospel, R&B and hip-hop (check the debut album, isn't she rapping on "Prisoner"). What's mind boggling about these OG fans is that new Mariah (true Mariah) has now been out so to speak, much longer (all caps) than hairbangs Mariah (Music Box and Daydream) and she has pretty much remained the same since, yet they're still hooked on the curated Tommy's vision of her and think that somehow, someday she's gonna go back to pop and that image. Smh. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:12)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,169) by Stacey from USA Thanks. I appreciate it. My entire self worth hinges on what people think of me here. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:56) this is a reply to message 110,166

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,166) by Lambi from USA How rude of him. Don't worry, we will keep believing you are the goated OG lamb and definitely not a wannabe. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:41)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,168) by Stacey from USA The 2006 Grammy performance was pre-recorded vocals mixed with some live parts. Next. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:54) this is a reply to message 110,161

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,161) by Terna from Nigeria Just one question, Stacey, dear. Was that 2006 Grammy performance live or lipsynched as you claimed it was? (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 06:11)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,167) by Jamie from UK Yes she looks gorgeous here. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:51)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,166) by Lambi from USA How rude of him. Don't worry, we will keep believing you are the goated OG lamb and definitely not a wannabe. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:41) this is a reply to message 110,153

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,153) by Stacey from USA You are late to the party. Edward already ratted me out for being a wannabe OG. See message 109,973. "Stacey, what did we say about going off-script? You can't just go around expressing your own opinions like that, people will start thinking you're not just a mindless extension of me. Next time, wait for my email with the approved talking points. I really hate to do this publicly, but I'm afraid this calls for a light reprimand." (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 03:41)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,165) by Stacey from USA I absolutely love accents. I was in line at Disney when a woman with her daughter got behind me. They were from Sydney, Australia. (I named my daughter Sydney.) We chatted and I told her she had a lovely accent. I am from Southern California. The only accent I have is how So Cal peeps tend to put "the" in front of a freeway. (Ex: You take "the" 15 to "the" 210, etc.). That's not even an accent, lol. Oh well, at least we have beaches. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 09:55) this is a reply to message 110,158

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,158) by Bobby A from United States Yes, MusicFanJ. People always point out to me my deep southern accent and I hate it. I hate the question: Where are you from? I guess that is definitely why I am able to detect an individual's accent from New York, Boston, Chicago, East Tennessee or Europe. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:10)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,164) by Zachariah from Croatia The suit look - what a presence. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 07:40)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,163) by Norman from USA 100% agreed I've been dreaming of her wearing a suit like this for a while now. The Ellen suit was cute but much too tight for her. This is giving style, lux, fashion, tailoring, icon, relevance, Bish I'm still here. It exceeded expectations. I saw a photoshoot with Julia Roberts a few years ago in a big suit like that (she wore them a lot in the 90s, too) and it looked amazing. I started praying Mimi would allow someone to style her like that. Color me pleasantly shocked. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 06:50) this is a reply to message 110,147

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,147) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands This is the kind of looks I want to see from Mariah. I love it. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 02:12)

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,162) by Stacey from USA Agree. I can't shout loud enough how much I love that look. She looks fierce, a force to be reckoned with. More of that please. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 06:21) this is a reply to message 110,147

Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,147) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands This is the kind of looks I want to see from Mariah. I love it. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 02:12)

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