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Changes (110,272)
by Lara from Middle East
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Everyone changes, we all get it, the only one who seems not get it is Mariah. What bothers me the most is the feeling Mariah is forcing her game. She's pushing to be sexy, she's pushing to belt and sing, she's pushing to be trendy. All of those used to come effortlessly for her... and sometimes she was a trend setter. She's trying to stay the untouchable Mariah of the 90s and 00s, ironically she was at that time very relatable and "touchable". A complete opposite of nowadays. At the beginning of the interview in Jimmy Kimmel, she was asked what took you so long to make this album, to which she answered something like "I was getting it together." Now that's more that we need, relatable Mariah. I'm sure her medications are interfering with her creativity and also her weight. Instead of just explaining, she's putting an act, which makes me sad how much she's trying to stay in the image she created instead of embracing her changes.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 22:58)
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Stop the nonsense (110,271)
by ADAM from USA
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This is a Mariah fandom website, I thought this was the most appropriate spot to express our thoughts on MC good, mid, or bad. I don't think people should censor themselves to appease one person or persons. If you don't like something, don't respond or thumbs up it. It's simple. Just keep scrolling. If Mariah were to read this board, she can absorb what she wants and discard the rest. It's public forum - you can't believe in the good critiques if you don't also make room for legitimate criticism. Lastly, the foundation of all this is that we are all clearly engaged again because she's back in the public eye. When people stop talking is when you should be concerned.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 22:21)
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Stop the nonsense (110,265)
by Jamie from UK
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Hello? Is this not a Mariah forum where we're free to talk about all things Mariah, whether it be good or bad? Mariah put herself in the public domain, so unfortunately she is subject to praise and criticism. I class myself as an honest person, I'm a Mariah fan and will critique how I want to, whether that be good or bad.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:29)
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Article: Mariah mobbed by fans ahead of Brighton Pride performance (110,270)
by TJ from Norway
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Also another normal outfit. Keep them coming.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 20:55)
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Stop the nonsense (110,269)
by Stacey from USA
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Hey man, we have the OG fans here and the wannabe OG fan (aka me). It's the world that is missing out on all these fabulous people. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 19:17)
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Stop the nonsense (110,266)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I don't know if anyone outside this forum know we exist, really. And what percentage of the world are we? Some medieval small village I tell you.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:39)
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Stop the nonsense (110,268)
by Jamie from UK
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Leave if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to be here. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 17:29)
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Stop the nonsense (110,266)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I don't know if anyone outside this forum know we exist, really. And what percentage of the world are we? Some medieval small village I tell you.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:39)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,267)
by Lighty from China
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These events are actually good vehicles for promoting the new singles/album if done right.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 17:11)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,262)
by Bobby A from United States
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Great points, Jamie. I hope when the HFIA promos start in mid-September that we see a more focused and relatable MC. I hope she talks about 100% about her new album and not her diva antics. I don't like that she has all of these events on August 2nd, August 15th, September 13th, September 17, and September 20th in the midst of releasing a new album. These are too many events taking time away from promoting Here For It All. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:53)
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Stop the nonsense (110,266)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I don't know if anyone outside this forum know we exist, really. And what percentage of the world are we? Some medieval small village I tell you.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:39)
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Stop the nonsense (110,265)
by Jamie from UK
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Hello? Is this not a Mariah forum where we're free to talk about all things Mariah, whether it be good or bad? Mariah put herself in the public domain, so unfortunately she is subject to praise and criticism. I class myself as an honest person, I'm a Mariah fan and will critique how I want to, whether that be good or bad.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:29)
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Stop the nonsense (110,265)
by Jamie from UK
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Hello? Is this not a Mariah forum where we're free to talk about all things Mariah, whether it be good or bad? Mariah put herself in the public domain, so unfortunately she is subject to praise and criticism. I class myself as an honest person, I'm a Mariah fan and will critique how I want to, whether that be good or bad.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:29)
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Stop the nonsense (110,264)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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No, Mariah will never quit the diva act, no, the Karadashians have not made her unsure about her age, no, a different roll out would not have made the last two single successful, no, I said a no no, like it Frenche, no, in Spanish, no. People here on this board are completely bashing Mariah and make up outrageous reasons for what no.
You are criticizing Mariah while you are all living in a Mariah fan forum creating a whole universe of excuses of why her voice is lost, her eyes are dead, who should have collaborated, how Mariah should have taken care of her voice, what affect people surrounding Mariah has, the list can go on and on.
Just imagine being Mariah living in this celebrity world and what micro cosmos that will lead to. But here we are, bashing Mariah for being out of touch, too into herself and her yes people, but we are still making a universe ourselves that really doesn't exist outside the MCArchives?
Hello? If this board can get so delusional, imagine being Mariah the last 35 years. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:15)
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Stop the nonsense (110,264)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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No, Mariah will never quit the diva act, no, the Karadashians have not made her unsure about her age, no, a different roll out would not have made the last two single successful, no, I said a no no, like it Frenche, no, in Spanish, no. People here on this board are completely bashing Mariah and make up outrageous reasons for what no.
You are criticizing Mariah while you are all living in a Mariah fan forum creating a whole universe of excuses of why her voice is lost, her eyes are dead, who should have collaborated, how Mariah should have taken care of her voice, what affect people surrounding Mariah has, the list can go on and on.
Just imagine being Mariah living in this celebrity world and what micro cosmos that will lead to. But here we are, bashing Mariah for being out of touch, too into herself and her yes people, but we are still making a universe ourselves that really doesn't exist outside the MCArchives?
Hello? If this board can get so delusional, imagine being Mariah the last 35 years.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:15)
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London (110,263)
by Jamie from UK
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Now that ensemble in London was on point. She looks gorgeous and not trying too much. She looks there like I would like her to look. Relaxed but chic.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:01)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,261)
by Bobby A from United States
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I noticed that as well. She looks a lot heavier in person. If you compare the Sugar Sweet video clip to the London photos from yesterday, you can tell the Sugar Sweet video clip is heavily edited. Why can't MC stop the diva antics and her desire to stay young? I think The Kardashians have had a negative influence on MC trying to stay young looking in the public's eye. People are not amused with her diva antics especially pop radio program diectors. These diva antics have negatively influenced the public's perception of her. Also, it is not helping that she can't sing like she used to. I have always wondered why the public loves Sza's music despite of her heavily autotuned vocals. I think it is because her lyrics are relatable and she doesn't act like a diva. This is what MC is missing in the public's eye. I believe MC acts like a diva because she is desperately trying to conceal the effects of being bipolar and the lost of her once beautiful voice.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,262)
by Bobby A from United States
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Great points, Jamie. I hope when the HFIA promos start in mid-September that we see a more focused and relatable MC. I hope she talks about 100% about her new album and not her diva antics. I don't like that she has all of these events on August 2nd, August 15th, September 13th, September 17, and September 20th in the midst of releasing a new album. These are too many events taking time away from promoting Here For It All.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:53)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,260)
by Jamie from UK
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I think it's a combination of that and being heavily medicated.
Problem with Mariah now is she's living in a dreamlike state and has totally lost touch with reality. Whatever medication she is on is not working for her, unless there is more going on ie some cognitive disorder.
The cute diva thing isn't working for her now either, all this "I don't acknowledge time" rubbish needs to stop, she needs to grow up, have a laugh yes but get back to being herself and not an act. Whether that's possible now I don't know, she seems completely lost in herself.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,261)
by Bobby A from United States
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I noticed that as well. She looks a lot heavier in person. If you compare the Sugar Sweet video clip to the London photos from yesterday, you can tell the Sugar Sweet video clip is heavily edited. Why can't MC stop the diva antics and her desire to stay young? I think The Kardashians have had a negative influence on MC trying to stay young looking in the public's eye. People are not amused with her diva antics especially pop radio program diectors. These diva antics have negatively influenced the public's perception of her. Also, it is not helping that she can't sing like she used to. I have always wondered why the public loves Sza's music despite of her heavily autotuned vocals. I think it is because her lyrics are relatable and she doesn't act like a diva. This is what MC is missing in the public's eye. I believe MC acts like a diva because she is desperately trying to conceal the effects of being bipolar and the lost of her once beautiful voice.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,255)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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I think it's because of the heavy filters to make her look young and slim. Mariah obviously didn't look like that in the Jimmy Kimmel interview. Mariah is always looking like that interview. All her social media posts are heavily edited.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 14:56)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,260)
by Jamie from UK
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I think it's a combination of that and being heavily medicated.
Problem with Mariah now is she's living in a dreamlike state and has totally lost touch with reality. Whatever medication she is on is not working for her, unless there is more going on ie some cognitive disorder.
The cute diva thing isn't working for her now either, all this "I don't acknowledge time" rubbish needs to stop, she needs to grow up, have a laugh yes but get back to being herself and not an act. Whether that's possible now I don't know, she seems completely lost in herself.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,254)
by ADAM from USA
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Do you think her expressionless blank stares in this video and many others are the result of too much botox and filler? [It's] happened so much that I think the weight of these enhancements are affecting her ability to emote. I guess for her she'd rather look 35 forever while unable to look enthused or expressive.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 14:41)
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Sugar Sweet TikTok video (110,259)
by Dove from United States
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I think she just had fresh veneers put in and that's why her mouth is moving strangely. It doesn't look like she has filler, just Botox. It's actually really well done. Those looks and slow movements of her face could probably be the result of some kind of medication.
Also, ever since Heartbreaker they've done a really strange slow motion editing to her videos. I don't know the purpose and it's always bugged me.
I'm just speculating about the Botox and filler. I just know a lot of people who get it and hers looks pretty good.
Even on Jimmy Kimmel she looked really good. I don't know any 50 year old that looks that good in real life. (Well, just one but she's Japanese and she had a face lift.) To me, she's still one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:21)
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by TJ from Norway
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I agree, agree and agree some more. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:17)
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by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I completely agree. That's why I hope on the new album are some lyrics with deeper meanings. I have nothing against some fun songs/lyrics but not the complete album. We all know her voice has changed but what I don't understand is, when she was so young she wrote like a grown-up person. Now she's a grown-up and the lyrics are so girly. Normally it's the opposite. Is it all to be trendy and to get to charts again? Wouldn't lyrics that are less girly not work better? Just a question, please don't get it wrong.  Something funny, I didn't know what Fendi is. Lol, a luxury brand, now I know. I watched a docu about Gucci yesterday, there they were also talking about the other brands.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 12:44)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,257)
by TJ from Norway
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Was that the video? With the Macarena moves? I hoped that was something she just made for fun (and filmed by her kids).
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:10)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,238)
by Jamie from UK
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So Mariah has shown a clip of the new [Sugar Sweet] video. What you guys think? She loves a stairway I'll give her that, remember I Don't. I love the ensemble, she looks really nice. I just wish her face would show it too, she looks miserable, she looked happier in the kitchen clip she did. There's a part in the video where her eyes go to the left like she's looking for direction, it's a poor edit if that's gonna be in the final video. She looks nice, I just don't think it's going to rescue the song.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 08:55)
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Sugar Sweet YouTube reviews (110,256)
by TJ from Norway
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Remember that the reviews on YouTube are made by crazy fans that love everything she does. 
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:05)
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Sugar Sweet YouTube reviews (110,236)
by Dove from United States
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I just spent the last hour watching YouTube reviews on Sugar Sweet and all the ones I've watched so far seem to love the song. So maybe I'm wrong. Also, I found my Bose speaker and I can hear the boom more on that speaker.
People were saying the high parts (that I think sound strained) sounded "raw" and they love it. I guess we'll see how it does. All the reviewers I watched I didn't know, I just searched "Sugar Sweet" reviews and followed the trail.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 06:11)
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by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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I think it's because of the heavy filters to make her look young and slim. Mariah obviously didn't look like that in the Jimmy Kimmel interview. Mariah is always looking like that interview. All her social media posts are heavily edited.
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by ADAM from USA
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Do you think her expressionless blank stares in this video and many others are the result of too much botox and filler? [It's] happened so much that I think the weight of these enhancements are affecting her ability to emote. I guess for her she'd rather look 35 forever while unable to look enthused or expressive.
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by ADAM from USA
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Do you think her expressionless blank stares in this video and many others are the result of too much botox and filler? [It's] happened so much that I think the weight of these enhancements are affecting her ability to emote. I guess for her she'd rather look 35 forever while unable to look enthused or expressive.
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by Shezz from Pk
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Jamie, I don't think that's a clip for the official video. It's another home video clip for TikTok/promotion like she did for TD as well. She looks good, yes the editing is off. She looks so beautiful when she smiles, needs to do that more than these serious expressions that read more lost than sexy. Looking forward to seeing how she performs SS in Brighton. She's going to bring the energy again like the Capital ball.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 11:52)
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by ADAM from USA
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I kinda agree with your sentiments here. [It's] quite unusual to witness her descent into girlyhood here. [It's] a tired troupe but I'll insert it here, [it's] like she's had a brain transplant. She's like a different artist/person over the last decade or so. The lyrics are too simplified and her personality seems like a wild tangent from her most of her career. I get pivoting to the current times and adapting your voice to its current state but still, there's a big gap here that's unexplained. I thought she'd use her book to explain her vocal issues or personality change in adulthood but that deep introspective work that we all have questions about didn't happen. All I can do is hope for the best. I hate that every interview she does, the questions and answers are so stupid and tired [it's] like being on autopilot. Like she's in a zombie state. I feel like we won't get the truth until she's far gone and then people from her camp will start spilling the tea.
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by T from USA
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When Mariah did the album reveal, with the first two covers, I really got a Celine Dion mature vibe. I thought this was the next phase in her career. And it made sense because her fans have grown and are all older (with her). She had the chance to do it when she was on American Idol and had her older (mom) fanbase watching weekly. But instead she did #Beautiful, with that video and went the young pop star route again. Missed opportunity to grow and reinvent. Imagine if her whole American Idol image was geared toward being a 43 y.o. mom who has a slew of fans that are also there in life? The video for #B, then the songs that followed could've really given her career a new life. But instead songs like Thirsty and YDKWTD were on her mind. Look, it's twelve years since then and I thought after seeing the album shots that now she's embracing where she is in life. And then Sugar Sweet was released. Admittedly, it is the catchiest song she's released since Touch My Body or Shake It Off. But it does not suit her anymore. And I guess that's the hardest thing about being popular your whole career, the ability to step back and say I'm not anymore. I actually think she'd be more popular and have more success if she went the Celine Dion route and sang songs that fit a 55 year old woman with such worldly experience.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 14:02)
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See Dave, based on your logic I do think she's inviting the criticism plus is also highly a competitive person still. She wants to be on top again. How else do you explain the Yes And remix plus Justin Beiber WYSM remix plus the Barbra Streisand songs? All these songs she sounds terrible but she's still in the game. She knows she can't chart by herself anymore and is willing to take the gamble. Her cognitive ability is questionable so she doesn't answer questions on the fly and speaks to the same tired script about the same used talking points. That's why she heavily does TicTock [sic] videos and a endless supply of images because she can control the narrative - beauty over substance. I wish her the best and truthfully I'm just hoping for another solid album (doesn't need to be a chart topper) I just miss digging into a piece of cohesive work from top to bottom from her. I'd rather have another Charmbracelet over E=MC2.
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by Dave from USA
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Honestly, if she's going through all that and (if) the voice is totally shot, then she's inviting the scrutiny. It would be better to walk away at that point as she would bring significant damage to her legacy. Other's can't be relied on to do the heavy lifting for a vocalist. If a vocalist has no voice, then it's time to stop.
As for the new song, I'm not surprised at all. Disappointed but not surprised. She is 56 and still talking about getting the ring and all that love struck 20 year old little girl stuff. It's not going to sell in this day and age.
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by T from USA
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When Mariah did the album reveal, with the first two covers, I really got a Celine Dion mature vibe. I thought this was the next phase in her career. And it made sense because her fans have grown and are all older (with her). She had the chance to do it when she was on American Idol and had her older (mom) fanbase watching weekly. But instead she did #Beautiful, with that video and went the young pop star route again. Missed opportunity to grow and reinvent. Imagine if her whole American Idol image was geared toward being a 43 y.o. mom who has a slew of fans that are also there in life? The video for #B, then the songs that followed could've really given her career a new life. But instead songs like Thirsty and YDKWTD were on her mind. Look, it's twelve years since then and I thought after seeing the album shots that now she's embracing where she is in life. And then Sugar Sweet was released. Admittedly, it is the catchiest song she's released since Touch My Body or Shake It Off. But it does not suit her anymore. And I guess that's the hardest thing about being popular your whole career, the ability to step back and say I'm not anymore. I actually think she'd be more popular and have more success if she went the Celine Dion route and sang songs that fit a 55 year old woman with such worldly experience.
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I completely agree. That's why I hope on the new album are some lyrics with deeper meanings. I have nothing against some fun songs/lyrics but not the complete album. We all know her voice has changed but what I don't understand is, when she was so young she wrote like a grown-up person. Now she's a grown-up and the lyrics are so girly. Normally it's the opposite. Is it all to be trendy and to get to charts again? Wouldn't lyrics that are less girly not work better? Just a question, please don't get it wrong. Something funny, I didn't know what Fendi is. Lol, a luxury brand, now I know. I watched a docu about Gucci yesterday, there they were also talking about the other brands.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 12:44)
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by Jamie from UK
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Yes I totally get where you're coming from, her lyrics used to be deep and meaningful. Now it's like she tries to get the most silliest or current trend lyrics in. Or words that no one really knows the meaning.
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I completely agree. That's why I hope on the new album are some lyrics with deeper meanings. I have nothing against some fun songs/lyrics but not the complete album. We all know her voice has changed but what I don't understand is, when she was so young she wrote like a grown-up person. Now she's a grown-up and the lyrics are so girly. Normally it's the opposite. Is it all to be trendy and to get to charts again? Wouldn't lyrics that are less girly not work better? Just a question, please don't get it wrong. Something funny, I didn't know what Fendi is. Lol, a luxury brand, now I know. I watched a docu about Gucci yesterday, there they were also talking about the other brands.
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What Virgin Records could have been for MC (110,249)
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Interesting thought. I think there was more to Virgin dropping her than just an underperforming soundtrack that actually didn't do that bad. She had a song hit #2, and a top 10 album on the Billboard 200. I think it was more the way she acted around that time. She was going through a mental health crisis and nobody understood. They just saw this diva who locked themself away and didn't answer calls, stopped working mid-promo. All of it frustrated the powers that be to no end and they concluded it wasn't worth it for them. They were shielded to the real Mariah. All they saw was the Sony artist, who was polite and professional. They didn't realize how heavily controlled she was to keep her in such a tight space. Virgin EMI isn't even a label anymore since 2012, so if she did stay with them she would've been looking for a new home by the time Triumphant was released. And of course, there wouldn't have been an Emancipation of Mimi.
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What Virgin Records could have been for MC (110,237)
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I was thinking today and wondering what MC's career with Virgin Records would have been like if they didn't buy out her 80 million dollars contract. The Virgin executives surely didn't support an established artist who had sold millions during the first ten years of her career. Just because her first album for the label didn't live up to their expectations, they decided to cut their losses and buy out her contract for 28 million dollars. Glitter was a soundtrack and not a regular album. They could have given her some grace and allowed MC to record a non soundtrack album. I am just thinking today about the "what if" with Virgin Records after 24 years. Virgin Records has other instances when they did support their artists when they were in a crisis or underperforming like Boy George, Janet Jackson, D'Angelo, and Aalyiah's family.
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I completely agree. That's why I hope on the new album are some lyrics with deeper meanings. I have nothing against some fun songs/lyrics but not the complete album. We all know her voice has changed but what I don't understand is, when she was so young she wrote like a grown-up person. Now she's a grown-up and the lyrics are so girly. Normally it's the opposite. Is it all to be trendy and to get to charts again? Wouldn't lyrics that are less girly not work better? Just a question, please don't get it wrong. Something funny, I didn't know what Fendi is. Lol, a luxury brand, now I know. I watched a docu about Gucci yesterday, there they were also talking about the other brands.
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Honestly, if she's going through all that and (if) the voice is totally shot, then she's inviting the scrutiny. It would be better to walk away at that point as she would bring significant damage to her legacy. Other's can't be relied on to do the heavy lifting for a vocalist. If a vocalist has no voice, then it's time to stop.
As for the new song, I'm not surprised at all. Disappointed but not surprised. She is 56 and still talking about getting the ring and all that love struck 20 year old little girl stuff. It's not going to sell in this day and age.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 05:08)
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