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The arrogance (112,278) by Geronimo from USA
Have a free correction for your benefit: distinguish between the fact that while, perhaps you are not "that deep", the matter at hand is most certainly "that deep". You and Mariah will soon see more clearly. Now, "cheers, cheers, cheers".
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 15:59)
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Don't take it political (112,277) by Lara from Middle East
It's not a trend, it's not someone dictating which flag to display on social media. Geronimo makes lot of correct points and I agree with a lot of them, specially coming from the region that is directly hurt from this genocidal entity. But also no need to take it that deep. Enjoy the music and pray for an awakening. Meanwhile I'll enjoy the drone over my head.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 15:53)
Mariah's It's Time video (112,276) by Libra Lamb from USA
Standing up for the right thing is hardly a trend. It comes from within in those who see the need for it and not to those that don't. Guess that speaks to your lack of empathy. Here in America people will literally die because of decisions made by one pero son or party. That may not mean anything to you in the UK but here we still have to go through that.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 15:41)
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The arrogance (112,275) by Libra Lamb from USA
That's exactly what's one would expect you guys to say when presented with a factual argument or statement. Just brush it off and call people names. People will see whatever they want to see and nothing more. Empathy is lost on some of y'all. Some of us care about complete strangers and people suffering at the hands of those in power. You can acknowledge that or not, it doesn't change the facts. Also, no one said "let's cancel Mariah" but some of you are acting like she can do no wrong and somehow is the victim here. Pointing out her tone deafness is far from yelling for her to be cancelled. Drama queens alert. Good luck with that.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 15:32)
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The arrogance (112,274) by Bill from the UK
I am sure you'll forget it once you're told about the next flag to overlay on your social media accounts.

Congrats to Mariah for hailing in the season and here's to a successful end of the year to her.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 14:06)
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The arrogance (112,273) by Lambi from USA
Bro it's literally not that deep.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 12:32)
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The arrogance (112,272) by Lighty from China
Well, the 2024-2025 Mariah Carey is stiff on stage. She said she had to do the Christmas residency because (her) people booked it. She didn't know Katy Perry went to space. She frequently forgets what specific word to use in recent interviews. She said in the JHud show that Whitney's dress was late for the VMAs but actually it was her own dress that almost didn't make it. She doesn't even remember her own lyrics and relies on multiple teleprompters on stage. Not really sure if it's because of menopause or the alleged heavy medication or early signs of Alzheimer's but do you really expect "this" Mariah to Google things herself? Her team is the one to blame.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 11:43)
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The arrogance (112,271) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Two questions: Standing up for what is right, who decides what is "right"? "She is actively earning money with some of the most evil people currently on the world stage today." Which evil people?

I don't understand who you mean. I've never heard about Sephora (I'm not interested in luxury brands). Lol. Google says it's a beauty brand. And it has a boycott because of politics and currents events. It's a boring trend nowadays to scream boycott. Of course you can boycott if you want. Maybe next year you'll like her it's time video better. What brand would you like? I like her video. I'm happy about every Christmas spot. It's my favourite time of year. We have the Coca Cola tv-commercial and trucks here, very popular and joined by many. The Christmas song from Melanie Thornton, "Wonderful Dream" is very popular in Germany which started with a commercial too. And I will have Mariah's two Christmas cd's on repeat. I even have the animated movie with little Mariah plus the "soundtrack". But I won't buy Mariah cookies. I bake cookies, it's affordable and yummy. Take a mulled wine or kinder punch and enjoy the season.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 11:31)
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Article: Mariah Carey's new ad isn't spreading Christmas cheer (112,270) by Dyz from Malaysia
The writer of this article must be one of JLo's fanatics.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 06:27)
Deluxe edition and other thoughts (112,269) by TJ from Norway
If so, it has to be on Spotify or something like that.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 05:13)
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The arrogance (112,268) by Geronimo from USA
You seem to be attempting to miss the point in public on purpose. Standing up for what is right is non-negotiable - especially when the public is bringing your betrayal to your attention while you try to hustle religious songs at Christmas about love, joy, and peace.

If she had any foresight at all, she might want to consider canceling her Christmas charade this year - especially since her latest album stands as a very public statement regarding the difference between what is happening on stage and what audiences will be hearing.

Entertainment is all fine and good. But, when the time comes to step up, you either step up or be counted for what you are. If all Mariah sang about was "panties to the side", then perhaps addressing her as a moral being would be a moot point. Not everybody has to say everything, every time, about every issue, but Mariah Carey is making money endorsing a company whose CEO is using the money that Mariah Carey is making for Sephora to donate millions of dollars intended to directly support a racist, apartheid state currently committing a live-streamed genocide

I believe Mariah Carey has used the public airways to the show pictures of Nelson Mandela in her deluxe apartment in the sky, no? Then, it's relevant to hold her accountable for the fact that all you have to do is Google "Sephora boycott" and the first three stories that pop up have to do with a Christian woman who sings songs about Jesus, but is dedicating her talent to the people who are destroying the lives of the people born where he lived and was literally executed by the state because he was committed to being an authentic enough version of himself that he became a threat to the goals of the Roman empire.

Mariah Carey, who is not broke, chooses to use what she calls her God-given talent to enrich people "making large donations to former President Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign" while she sings "its tiiiiiime" to listen to her lip sync "glory to the newborn King" and "peace on earth". While she partners with Sephora, company owner Bernard Arnault invests hundreds of millions in Israeli companies while that nation is actively committing what everyone whose opinion counts has acknowledged is a genocide.

She sings about diamonds and comments in public that she doesn't understand why some people don't "like" diamonds, all the while Sephora founder, chairman, and CEO Bernard Arnault - who invests hundreds of millions in Israeli companies, including Lusix, an Israeli diamond company - donates millions of dollars to companies from the country whose diamond exports fund over $1 billion of the Israeli Occupation Forces budget annually.

LVMH's Sephora stores retail products from Ahava, one of the top 8 companies on the BDS boycott list for stealing Palestine's natural resources, eviscerating its environment, and operating in illegal settlements. So it matters that Mariah Carey is either too ignorant, too greedy, or both to make a morally intelligent decision at her age.

With all the capacity she has to know better and do better, she is actively and willfully doing far less than people who have with far less but are, themselves, putting their lives and careers on the line in order to be the kind of witness to peace and love that Mariah only sings about in her songs - her notable charitable contributions notwithstanding.

And let's not forget, in her personal life, Mariah Carey made the choice to date James Packer - a man who (allegedly) gave war Benjamin Netanyahu a key to his home - also the man whose gifts to Benjamin Netanyahu are the reason why Benjamin Netanyahu is currently up on corruption charges.

These are her choices. She is not simply failing to burn her bra on stage and release a protest album. She is actively earning money with some of the most evil people currently on the world stage today. That matters - and saying so has nothing to do with "arrogance".

If Eartha Kitt can do better, Mariah Carey can do better. If Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Billie Holiday, Sinead O'Connor, Lauryn Hill, and the artists formerly known as the Dixie Chicks can do better (and they certainly did), then Mariah Carey can at least Google herself and recognize that she is being exposed as a fraud (again) and do something about it now.

And yes, I still love "Confetti and Champagne", because she's a phenomenal singer, a very clever songwriter, and the song is super cute. But it sounds a little different right about now.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 03:29)
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Deluxe edition and other thoughts (112,267) by Lighty from China
Bobby A, you always have so many positive thoughts and feelings in which I think you might be getting a little too ....
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 03:02)
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Deluxe edition and other thoughts (112,266) by Edward from USA
Is "The Deluxe" edition still happening?
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 01:18)
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Deluxe edition and other thoughts (112,265) by Bobby A from United States
First, I feel preorders for the deluxe edition will happen before the end of the year. Secondly, it has to explain why Gamma has stopped all promotion of the album. Gamma knows releasing the deluxe edition is going to remind Lambs why MC is the queen of remixes. IYF will have a hot remix to officially release the song as the 3rd single. Finally, Jesus I Do is a going to win a Grammy for best Gospel song.
(Thursday 6 November 2025; 00:45)
The arrogance (112,264) by Edward from USA
Equating public political statements with meaningful action isn't always accurate. Mariah has contributed to social causes for decades, quietly. She has shown up repeatedly for communities without turning those moments into a branding exercise. That's substantial, even if it's not loud.

Mariah didn't come from privilege, she came from instability, racism, abuse, and financial hardship. Her early music speaks very directly to those realities: "Make It Happen", "There's Got to Be a Way", "Outside", "Close My Eyes", "Petals", and many others. Speaking about struggle has always been part of her work. The fact that she now sometimes chooses to celebrate comfort, joy, and luxury is not a moral failing, it's a reflection of someone who survived things she no longer wants to be defined by.

Not every artist is obligated to take a public political stance once they become successful. And choosing not to endorse a specific candidate or administration does not mean she is "siding with exploiters". It means she is aware of what can happen when artists become political mascots: the art becomes secondary to the performance of ideology.

I think it is totally fair wanting more public advocacy from her, but implying she is betraying a "lineage" of artists for not campaigning is a projection that doesn't consider the full scope of her work or her life. Social engagement does not have to look the same for everyone, and it doesn't have to be broadcasted to be real.

I don't think Mariah needs to put her awareness on display in order for it to be real. The expectation that she must constantly prove her principles, or investigate the lineage of anyone she dates, just to satisfy other people's political purity standards, is unreasonable. Holding her responsible for the actions or history of someone else's family crosses into the absurd. It's ridiculousness at its best.

So, the moral police here should take an effing chill pill. Christmas is coming.
(Wednesday 5 November 2025; 23:06)
Let them eat cake (112,263) by Lambi from USA
Beautiful stories, Dove. I love how you noticed those things about Mariah, I certainly didn't. The only similar moment I remember was when she seemed embarrassed talking about having a "make-up room", as if it were just a normal thing. She's very aware of how she comes across.

In her book, she mentioned that her mother had a friend who only had sons and no daughters, so this woman took a special interest in dressing Mariah throughout her childhood. That family friend would bring her girly, handmade clothes, but as Mariah approached her angry teenage years, she would eventually reject them harshly feeling they were too childish. Mariah wrote about how deeply she regrets being unkind to someone who was nothing but sweet and caring, and who was likely just trying to be a great friend to Patricia. This woman devoted her time and talent to make little Mariah feel beautiful and put together.

Mariah just has this sense of humility that's organic. She's been rich for more than half her life but she still remembers the people of significant help when she was dirt poor. And openly admits when she did them wrong in 2020. That is truly far from being toned-deaf.
(Wednesday 5 November 2025; 12:02)
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Mariah's It's Time video (112,262) by Jamie from London, UK
I personally don't see a problem with it. If people don't like it, don't pay any attention to it, don't watch it. Why is there a permanent need for people to feel offended or upset by everything nowadays? It really is a tiresome trend.

In a world where everything is a gripe or a moan it makes it hard to hear the real problems amongst the cacophony of whining snowflakes wanting to cancel some poor individual for some triviality.

Is Mariah socially tone deaf? Perhaps she is, that said at the end of the day, it's her prerogative. She's worked hard to afford herself the lifestyle she lives and if she want's to flaunt it, it's absolutely her right to do so. It might alienate her from some people, understandably, if you feel that way (as you are entitled to) tune out quietly and don't support her.

As the old adage goes, "you can't please everyone, all the time", a quote that is more true now than ever before.
(Wednesday 5 November 2025; 11:52)
Mariah Carey - socially tone deaf? Nothing new (112,261) by Geronimo from USA
I wish your reply had made a little bit more sense. The point that I was making, however, is that you can provide people with entertainment without choosing repeatedly to make money by siding with the very people whose governing philosophies, labor policies, and anti-democratic fanaticism make life unaffordable and unlivable.

Mariah Carey comes from a lineage of entertainers and artists who took public stands on social justice issues who, at the same time, never became less entertaining in the process.

That lineage includes people like Aretha Franklin who volunteered to spend her personal money for Angela Davis' legal defense when no one else was willing yet to bridge the gap.

That lineage also includes Stevie Wonder whose Christmas album taught me that beauty and sincerity in art makes it possible to spread joy and cheer while also refusing to remain silent while "men play with bombs while kids play with toys". I have not listened to that song, by the way, in over 25 years, but there is a reason why I not only remember that lyric, but also live and work according to the philosophy those lyrics helped me to begin developing as a child.

The ability to entertain while also bearing witness to the truth when it counts is the reason why, even as I sit here and type this message, the very first vinyl I see in front of me across the room is his "Songs in the Key of Life".

She makes a lot of money doing endorsements for and entertaining the people who are currently helping make life unaffordable and unlivable for working people.

The city she loves - New York City - is about to elect someone who is making that city more affordable (if they let him). She could've done an "it's time" as an endorsement for him in order to balance her glam girl persona with a grown-ups' understanding of what is required of people to live a decent life in her beloved city right now.

What would've possibly been the consequences for her if she had done that - lower album sales?

I would be willing to excuse her social and morally tone deaf nonsense if she would, at the very least, risk her next paycheck by speaking truth to power now that she's rich enough to take the hit. No one expects her to be Rage Against the Machine or Tracy Chapman.

However, she's getting close to her 60s while singing songs about confetti, champagne, diamonds, and flaunting pure luxury - and even recently shared what no one asked her to share concerning the fact she doesn't know why some people don't "like" diamonds. She should know why some people don't "like" diamonds in the year 2025.

Songs like Hero, Can't Take That Away, Fly Like a Bird, Make It Happen, There's Got to Be a Way, and Jesus I Do further demonstrate that, while she can write an inspirational song about her personal perspective on things that matter to individuals, she suppresses the same "spirit" that inspires people who begin with those same sentiments but who, then, extend themselves beyond personal spiritual pick-me-ups to some mature capacity to make a social statement while standing in front of modern-day monarchs and labor exploiters.

Her charity work is meaningful. But she needs to read more and, perhaps, talk to some more people who are not fans or hangers-on fans, but who work for living. Maybe then she would show people an example of what you can do in the face of multiple layers of catastrophe other than play the lonely rich cougar who helps the next generation console themselves while fantasizing about the lifestyles of the very people who are making their lives increasingly difficult as the days go by.

She deserves all the criticism she gets on this score because she comes from a line of people who knew better and did better than what she's doing right now.
(Wednesday 5 November 2025; 02:53)
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Let them eat cake (112,260) by Bobby A from United States
All of the negative criticism is laughable. Mimi is still going to make it to the top this year.
(Wednesday 5 November 2025; 01:33)
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Let them eat cake (112,259) by Stacey from USA
Yup, you are 100% right. This Christmas is going to rock. I love the video and didn't see anything political about it.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 23:07)
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3 albums (112,258) by MusicfanJ from Germany
So true. "The songs had a charm and innocence to them, genuine melodies and interesting arrangements." I see it the same way. The early recordings with Ben Margulies are so soulful, pure and unique. A wonderful sound. I also love her darker, rich voice on the debut.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 20:52)
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Christmas (112,257) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Exactly. I still read newspapers and books by the way. But I also had to google what Sephora is. Lol. I've never heard of it too. And I missed the add thing as well. I just thought the it's time video is fun and looks good. I also didn't get what it has to do with Amazon? That the Christmas season is also used for commerce is nothing new too.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 20:27)
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Mariah Carey - socially tone deaf? Nothing new (112,256) by BFF from United States
Being angry at Mariah Carey for being rich and getting endorsement deals = first world problems.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 20:22)
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Mariah Carey - socially tone deaf? Nothing new (112,255) by Lara from Middle East
It is kinda strange that the same girl who was 17 and wrote "There's got to be a way" is completely silent about her hometown with the current election and the whole bleak situation.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 19:14)
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Let them eat cake (112,254) by Edward from USA
Dove, dear, don't fall for it. This Christmas will be epic.
(Tuesday 4 November 2025; 13:45)
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